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[Cubenovice]

Currently at work but if you like I can indicate where there are insertions possible later today.
Then it is up to you to post the commutators

Scramble L2 D L2 D' F2 L2 U' B2 F2 D2 U' B R F' U B' F' L' U2 F D2

solution up to 3 corners:
F R' U R U' L2 U2 R' D L F' U L2 U2 F U F' D L2 D' L' D L' D2

8 move cycles can be found at:
F . R' , U R U' L2 U2 : R' ; D L F' U L2 U2 F + U F' D L2 D' L' D L' D2 ~

Happy hunting

 

[sneaklyfox]

Yes, that's the same how I feel about BLD. You could always do one FMC per week (like I do) with the weekly contest! It will be fun to compete against you!

I have never ever done FMC before. The closest thing I've done is count the number of moves I'm using while I'm solving a cube the normal way. Probably you would beat me at FMC as I know practically nothing. Commutators... I know what they are in theory. Don't know how to use them in practice with FMC. I will look into it and maybe try my hand at it... even if just for the sake of letting you beat me.

 

[Lchu613]

FMC, hah!

(just kidding)

 

[kbrune]

Yeah, I have something to share. I looked into commutators today:

3X3X3 Fewest moves : 32


Scramble L2 D L2 D' F2 L2 U' B2 F2 D2 U' B R F' U B' F' L' U2 F D2

F R' U R U' L2 U2 R' * D // 2 x 2 x 3 Pseudo block
D' // Pre move to fix pseudo
L F' // 3RD F2L
U L2 U2 F U F' // COMPLETE F2L
D L2 D' L' D L' D' //All but three corners (last move cancelled by pre move )
F2 R B2 R' F2 R B2 R' // * Commutator insert

Solution: F R' U R U' L2 U2 R' F2 R B2 R' F2 R B2 R' D L F' U L2 U2 F U F' D L2 D' L' D L' D'

Wow! Good on you Marcel! I'm pretty jealous of the FMC skillz you possess already.
I've been dabbling in FMC for a little while now but a lot of the necessary strategies I am having a hard time understanding.
Mind you I haven't pushed hard at it but I've read up on commutators a bit and I'm not grasping the idea yet.
I also don't completely understand the best approach to FMC yet. I currently use block building at the start (slowly getting used to it)
but it is to try to get F2L in the least moves possible. Then I just keep trying different solutions until I end up with an OLL and PLL with small move counts lol

Any suggestion for videos or what I should learn first to improve?

 

[MarcelP]

I will look into it and maybe try my hand at it... even if just for the sake of letting you beat me.

Thanks LOL, I saw your entry in the weekly competition. Nice first result. I believe my first was barely sub 60. Now after getting two 32's in a row I am getting more confident Please also post your solution with it next week.

Wow! Good on you Marcel! I'm pretty jealous of the FMC skillz you possess already.

Thanks!, but the last two low scores where more luck than wisdom I think.

Any suggestion for videos or what I should learn first to improve?

No, but this topic is a must read topic:
You http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?1566-Fewest-Moves-Tips-and-Techniques

 

[Lchu613]

I know this isn't completely related, but I wonder how many moves Felik's averages per solve and what his tps is...

 

[aznanimedude]

i remember in one reconstruction that Brest did, he had like...8+ TPS and did like 40-50ish movecount solves

 

[ThomasJE]

i remember in one reconstruction that Brest did, he had like...8+ TPS and did like 40-50ish movecount solves

His former 5.66 WR was 9.18 TPS.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Thanks LOL, I saw your entry in the weekly competition. Nice first result. I believe my first was barely sub 60. Now after getting two 32's in a row I am getting more confident Please also post your solution with it next week.

Yeah, I can post the solution next time. I wasn't sure if that was needed as I saw you were the only one who posted the solution. A few others also did FMC and they only posted the number of moves so I figured that was sufficient and based on the honour system.

 

[MarcelP]

Yeah, I can post the solution next time. I wasn't sure if that was needed as I saw you were the only one who posted the solution. A few others also did FMC and they only posted the number of moves so I figured that was sufficient and based on the honour system.

Yes, it is not needed. But we can learn from looking at other solutions And I am very interested to see how you came to a solution. I wonder if your Roux skills help.

 

[sneaklyfox]

Yes, it is not needed. But we can learn from looking at other solutions And I am very interested to see how you came to a solution. I wonder if your Roux skills help.

I didn't try for the full hour. I think I only tried for about 10-15 minutes. I attempted three methods: CFOP, then Roux, then FreeFOP (somewhat Petrus style). The Petrus was least of the three times I tried so I gave that number. I didn't think too hard. I'm sure if I tried for longer I could have found a shorter solution but probably nowhere near 32.

 

[MarcelP]

I still know how to solve on white cross LOL

I wanted to film an Ao12, but after the first 3 it went all bad with even a 36 solve in there. Ao12 was still sub 29 but I will show only the first three to skip further embarrasment:

1. 20.17 U2 B2 L2 U' F2 R2 B2 U R2 L2 D2 B' D F2 U' R' D' R2 U' R' D
2. 21.77 D F2 R2 D2 F2 D R2 U' L2 D L2 B' L' F R U' F L F R L' D
3. 24.83 D2 R2 L2 B2 D' U2 B2 L2 B2 R2 D L' D2 B R2 B' F' D' L' D2 B'

[video=youtube_share;dHVmqk26rLA]http://youtu.be/dHVmqk26rLA[/video]

 

[mark49152]

Here's my PLL attack order. I practice in groups of three to focus improvement, then do all 7 triples back to back for a time attack. Each triple goes back to a solved cube, so I can easily see mid-attack if I've screwed up. However, you need the right AUFs within the triple to get back to solved, and these will depend what algs you use, so I won't list mine here. Obviously it's only the first AUF that needs a bit of trial and error, as you'll recognise the third case once you have it right. I can list my algs & AUFs as well if that would help, just let me know.

Currently my best attack is 77 sec and my PB ao12s for the triples range from 9.86 to 12.93. I try to drill the triples I'm slowest at, or look for new algs if they're clearly held back.

T-F-H
Jb-Ra-E
Ja-Rb-Z
Y-Na-Ua
Nb-V-Ub
Ga-Gc-Aa
Gd-Gb-Ab

 

[sneaklyfox]

That's cool that your order of PLLs brings you back to a solved state. I always want to have an order that does that, but I actually planned my order based on the ease of transitioning from one PLL to another. I haven't done a PLL time attack in forever.

 

[mark49152]

That's cool that your order of PLLs brings you back to a solved state. I always want to have an order that does that, but I actually planned my order based on the ease of transitioning from one PLL to another. I haven't done a PLL time attack in forever.

I practice the triples much more than the full attack, and usually just do attacks to warm up or to time progress. PLL is the fastest tps in a solve (for me) so I like to practice them to get my fingers moving faster.

 

[MarcelP]

Here's my PLL attack order. I practice in groups of three to focus improvement, then do all 7 triples back to back for a time attack. Each triple goes back to a solved cube, so I can easily see mid-attack if I've screwed up. However, you need the right AUFs within the triple to get back to solved, and these will depend what algs you use, so I won't list mine here. Obviously it's only the first AUF that needs a bit of trial and error, as you'll recognise the third case once you have it right. I can list my algs & AUFs as well if that would help, just let me know.

Currently my best attack is 77 sec and my PB ao12s for the triples range from 9.86 to 12.93. I try to drill the triples I'm slowest at, or look for new algs if they're clearly held back.

T-F-H
Jb-Ra-E
Ja-Rb-Z
Y-Na-Ua
Nb-V-Ub
Ga-Gc-Aa
Gd-Gb-Ab

I only know what a T-perm is. The others I know how to solve but I do not know how to do them on a solved cube. So I have to make a paper with drawings where I can reconise what to do or something. I will look into that and let you know how it turns out. Thanks for your list. I will use it for my drawings.

 

[sneaklyfox]

I only know what a T-perm is. The others I know how to solve but I do not know how to do them on a solved cube. So I have to make a paper with drawings where I can reconise what to do or something. I will look into that and let you know how it turns out. Thanks for your list. I will use it for my drawings.

Wait... how do you not know how to do them on a solved cube but you can solve them? Maybe I do not understand you correctly. Can you imagine the cube in an unsolved state and then go from there? Like, when I used to practice PLLs, I sometimes practiced them while lying in bed in the dark (because it was time to sleep but I was not ready to put my cube down yet!) I knew which alg I was practicing and how it looked and just went through the motions so I knew how they felt.

 

[Gordon]

I just tried this too, but when I do a T-perm followed by a F-perm I'll have to do a Aa-perm to solve the cube.
So my first tripplett is T - F - Aa with a U2 before the T and Aa perm.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I am still following this, roughly.. I just don't have a clue what you are all talking about. I learn the perms and then forget what they are called lol

 

[sneaklyfox]

I am still following this, roughly.. I just don't have a clue what you are all talking about. I learn the perms and then forget what they are called lol

Don't worry, it was awhile before I bothered to learn the names for all the PLLs. I just thought I'd like to know what other people were talking about instead of having to go through the wiki everytime someone mentioned this perm or that perm. Unfortunately, I still can't tell between A perms, U perms, R perms, G perms, J perms, N perms... if it's a, b, c, d...