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[Kattenvriendin]

COUGH

LOL

 

[MarcelP]

Ok, I did an Ao5 on all colors today.

YELLOW 26.51 (30.67) 26.58 (24.15) 25.75 = 26.28
BLUE (23.12) 23.59 26.51 24.82 (28.50) = 24.97
RED 24.70 25.52 (28.83) (22.01) 25.81 = 25.34
GREEN 26.80 25.67 (27.62) (23.49) 25.51 = 25.99
ORANGE 26.97 (28.69) (26.15) 27.05 26.53 = 26.85
WHITE (29.36) 24.83 (23.78) 25.24 24.35 = 24.81

I did not have the time to do a big timed average, but I am glad I did this. All solves went really smooth.

Spoiler

<---- YELLOW CROSS------>


Mean: 26.73
Average: 26.28
Best time: 24.15
Median: 26.51
Worst time: 30.67
Standard deviation: 2.15

Best average of 5: 26.28
1-5 - 26.51 (30.67) 26.58 (24.15) 25.75

1. 26.51 L2 F2 U' L2 D' L2 D B2 U2 B2 U R' D L U2 F R2 B U2 F2 D2
2. 30.67 U2 F2 L2 D L2 B2 U L2 D F2 D' B R' D R F R' U' R2 B2 L'
3. 26.58 R2 B2 R2 F2 U L2 D F2 D R2 D' B L U2 L2 U B2 L2 D' B2 U2
4. 24.15 D' B2 U B2 R2 L2 D' F2 D' F2 D2 R' F L2 F U' R' D R U' L' U2
5. 25.75 D F2 D' L2 D2 L2 F2 U' B2 U2 R' D F2 D' L D2 F R' D' L U'


<---- BLUE CROSS------>


Mean: 25.31
Average: 24.97
Best time: 23.12
Median: 24.82
Worst time: 28.50
Standard deviation: 1.98

Best average of 5: 24.97
1-5 - (23.12) 23.59 26.51 24.82 (28.50)

1. 23.12 L2 D2 R2 U' R2 U' B2 D L2 B2 D R' D' F' D' U' R F R2 B2 L' U'
2. 23.59 D L2 D' B2 R2 U' F2 D2 R2 U' B2 R U' F' U L D R' L' D U'
3. 26.51 U' R2 F2 R2 D F2 R2 D B2 F2 D' L B F2 L' D2 U L' B U2 R2
4. 24.82 R2 U R2 U' L2 D' B2 D' F2 L2 U' R B L D2 U' R2 U2 B' R' F' U'
5. 28.50 L2 U R2 D B2 D2 B2 U R2 B2 U2 B' U F R B' F2 L D F L2

<---- RED CROSS------>

Mean: 25.37
Average: 25.34
Best time: 22.01
Median: 25.52
Worst time: 28.83
Standard deviation: 2.19

Best average of 5: 25.34
1-5 - 24.70 25.52 (28.83) (22.01) 25.81

1. 24.70 R2 U R2 L2 D B2 F2 U2 F2 U' L' D' L D2 L D2 U' F L' U
2. 25.52 D B2 U2 B2 D2 L2 U R2 L2 F2 U2 R F' D' B2 U' F R' L' F' L2
3. 28.83 U L2 D2 B2 D' L2 F2 L2 U2 B2 D' F' D2 U R L' U' L B2 R' B
4. 22.01 B2 U' B2 R2 D B2 L2 U F2 D2 B2 R' D' F' U2 L' D' R F' L2 D' U'
5. 25.81 U2 R2 B2 R2 D B2 D' L2 D' R2 F2 R' D' R' B' U2 B L' U' B D'


<---- GREEN CROSS------>


Mean: 25.82
Average: 25.99
Best time: 23.49
Median: 25.67
Worst time: 27.62
Standard deviation: 1.40

Best average of 5: 25.99
1-5 - 26.80 25.67 (27.62) (23.49) 25.51

1. 26.80 F2 D B2 L2 D' F2 D2 L2 U2 F2 R' L B' U2 R F' L2 B2 D F2 D'
2. 25.67 U R2 L2 U B2 L2 U F2 D' R2 U B' L' U' F' R' U2 B' U F2 D U2
3. 27.62 L2 B2 U' L2 D B2 D2 L2 F2 R2 B2 R B2 U' F' R L' D' B' R2 F2
4. 23.49 R2 U2 R2 L2 D F2 L2 D' L2 F2 L B' D' R2 L B2 L' F2 U
5. 25.51 R2 D' R2 L2 F2 L2 D' F2 R2 D' R2 B D' B2 D F2 L D' F' L2 F2

<---- ORANGE CROSS------>


Mean: 27.08
Average: 26.85
Best time: 26.15
Median: 26.97
Worst time: 28.69
Standard deviation: 0.87

Best average of 5: 26.85
1-5 - 26.97 (28.69) (26.15) 27.05 26.53

1. 26.97 B2 R2 B2 U2 L2 D B2 U F2 D U' R' F' L2 U' F2 U L F' L2 U'
2. 28.69 L2 F2 R2 U' L2 U B2 U' B2 R2 U2 R F D' F' L' F2 D U2 B' D' U'
3. 26.15 B2 U' F2 R2 D2 B2 F2 D B2 D L2 F' R' L' D F' R' U B2 F U2
4. 27.05 U R2 U F2 U R2 L2 D' B2 F2 L B2 F U2 B2 U' B U B' L2
5. 26.53 F2 U2 F2 U' R2 D B2 U' F2 D R2 B F L B2 R B2 F L' D2 U'

<---- WHITE CROSS------>


Mean: 25.51
Average: 24.81
Best time: 23.78
Median: 24.83
Worst time: 29.36
Standard deviation: 1.98

Best average of 5: 24.81
1-5 - (29.36) 24.83 (23.78) 25.24 24.35

1. 29.36 D' R2 U R2 B2 L2 U2 R2 U2 B2 D' B' R' L' F' L2 F' L2 F' U F U'
2. 24.83 U' F2 L2 D' B2 L2 D' R2 U L2 D2 B' D2 R' D U L2 D2 B D2 R'
3. 23.78 F2 U2 L2 F2 D2 L2 D L2 D R2 D B' D' F2 R L2 F' D' R' L' B2 U'
4. 25.24 L2 B2 U' L2 B2 U L2 F2 U2 L2 D2 L F' U B R' B' L B' U2 B L2
5. 24.35 D' L2 D2 L2 U L2 U2 F2 U2 F2 L D2 B U B D R F2 R

<---- ------>

 

[mark49152]

Still definitely CN then! Do the colours always come out with the same time order?

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Being color neutral would definitely help on the 4x4. Very often nice centers already done on the other colors than white and yellow!

 

[MarcelP]

Still definitely CN then! Do the colours always come out with the same time order?

What do you mean Mark? I picked them ramdomly.I started with white.

Being color neutral would definitely help on the 4x4. Very often nice centers already done on the other colors than white and yellow!

Yeah, on normal reduction I do color neutal. But Yao is too intensive allready as it is right now. So I do white on left en yellow on righ (ALWAYS).

 

[sneaklyfox]

I think mark49152 meant whether you're always fastest on white, second fastest on blue, then red, green, yellow, orange... like you were for the above average of 5. Or does the order change all the time? Or say, if you have a preference for white then usually white is fastest or second fastest and maybe orange is more often slower or slowest...

 

[MarcelP]

Ah, I think white is still my dominant color, meaning I can spot them sooner. However, I developped a look ahead on the other colors which somehow is not developing on white. On white I just turn insanly fast (well for me anyway LOL). On the other colors I keep looking ahead. I think in short time I will be slower on white as on other colors.

 

[mark49152]

Yes that's what I meant - whether some colours always work better for you. I always assumed that white cross, yellow OLL is the "usual" choice because white's the easiest to spot, followed by yellow. On the few CN solves I've tried, with regular Dayan stickers, the hardest thing for me was that the white and yellow stickers were screaming out at me, distracting me from finding the cross, OLL and F2L pairs. I wonder if CN would be easier with black instead of white, or full bright stickers, etc., to make the colours more "equal"...

 

[MarcelP]

I think some colors work better. Green and orange. But I should do Ao100's to prove that So much to do, so little time LOL..

Well, my Yao times are picking up:

Mean: 3:13.36
Average: 3:08.78
Best time: 2:56.89
Median: 3:07.07
Worst time: 3:43.58
Standard deviation: 16.07

Best average of 5: 3:08.78
1-5 - (2:56.89) (3:43.58) 3:05.16 3:14.12 3:07.07

 

[Kattenvriendin]

SIGGIE CHANGE!! Hehe good going! I just loooove Yau!

 

[Lchu613]

I think I may do my first timed 4x4 solve sometime in the near future.
I'm kind of excited.

 

[MarcelP]

Be sure that you start off with Yao. I was difficult for me to swicth from reduction to Yao

 

[Kattenvriendin]

Hey Marcel, we got moved lol

DO learn edge pairing and center matching first, without that you'e nowhere with Yau. But after that it is real easy to get the hang of it

 

[MarcelP]

Hey Marcel, we got moved lol

DO learn edge pairing and center matching first, without that you'e nowhere with Yau. But after that it is real easy to get the hang of it

Yeah, off-topic discussion. LOL We do not talk about cubes after all..

The thing I mess up with Yao is that after building white and yellow center and having two white edge pairs (for example) is that when pairing up the third white edge pair I break one of the allready build up pairs. And when I did not do that, (when it went ok) I seem to mess up one of the three pairs often while building the last 4 centers... I just can not get used to the restriction that you have with your left hand. But, it is getting better. I had a 3.15 Ao5 yesterday

 

[mark49152]

I just can't get the hang of it. The centres and edges just seem more awkward than with reduction and all it seems to give as benefit is a half-built cross.

What's the advantage? Is there more to it than getting the cross half done? How much practice does it take to gain more from the cross than you lose from the harder centres?

4x4 is great though - I'm hooked now and have a new SS on my desk waiting to be modded

 

[MarcelP]

In Yao the biggest advantage is that after doing centers all the unpaired edges are easy to spot. And with the 32223 or whatever that method is called, is pairing so much faster. In normal reduction I find my self staring at the cube rotating 360 degrees in all diretions to find what I am looking for..

 

[Schmidt]

The thing I mess up with Yao is....

....how to write Yau.

 

[MarcelP]

LOL... Ok Yau. I will try to keep that in mind from now on.

 

[mark49152]

In Yao the biggest advantage is that after doing centers all the unpaired edges are easy to spot. And with the 32223 or whatever that method is called, is pairing so much faster. In normal reduction I find my self staring at the cube rotating 360 degrees in all diretions to find what I am looking for..

Yeah that is true. With 32223 I do keep looking at top and bottom. Will try a bit harder with Yau!

 

[littlewing1208]

I never really focused on 4x4 but once I got the hang of Yau, I really like it. But doing the last 4 centers is hard to get the hang of. I basically find a center with a 2x1 already done (90+% of the time it's the case) and then in the r layer if there is a center of the same color, I bring it in to make the "L" then you do a Rrl turn to put the face with the 4th center of that color and put it in the l layer in the relative position to the 3rd center that is currently in the r layer, then spin just the Rr the amount that you did to find the face with the 4th center (either 90 or 180deg) to pair, then U/U' to get the 2x1 in the r layer and then Rr back to where it was and then the face is solved. Rinse and repeat. If there is no 2x1 for the next color your first job is to match one and the above process for matching the 3rd and 4th center will accomplish this and then get this 2x1 into the l layer and repeat.

Note the above assumes you keep your cross face on the left with the UL dedge empty.

Cyoubx' most recent Yau edge pairing video (new of the last few weeks) really helped me (ie slice first, pair 3 dedges and then 2 at a time till complete).