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sneaklyfox said:
Yeah, you do find good scrambles. I just hope I don't break my PB single with one of them because I don't count other people's easy scrambles.
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OMG, first solve of the day: 1. 19.48 D' L2 F2 U F2 D' F2 R2 U L2 F U F2 R2 F' D L' D U2 B2 U'

On second try I had a 17something... ;) Whhoo, what a promising start of an Ao100.. LOL
 
LOL, yeah switching from a 4 X 4 is weird huh?

I think this is going to be a great Ao50 or 100, I had a PB Mo3 (21.66) in the first 12:

Rubik's cube
Apr 14, 2013 11:16:43 AM - 11:30:45 AM

Mean: 24.48
Standard deviation: 3.82
Best Time: 17.57
Worst Time: 29.43

Best average of 5: 22.75
3-7 - 19.48 (18.95) (26.56) 23.07 25.71

Best average of 12: 24.67
1-12 - 19.48 29.42 (29.43) 18.95 26.56 23.07 25.71 28.03 24.35 (17.57) 25.39 25.78

1. 19.48 D' L2 F2 U F2 D' F2 R2 U L2 F U F2 R2 F' D L' D U2 B2 U'
2. 29.42 B2 F2 R2 U B2 R2 D2 L2 U' F2 L2 B L D2 B2 L' D' B L2 U2 B
3. 29.43 D2 B2 R2 B2 U B2 D' F2 L2 U2 R2 F' U F2 L U2 B' F R' B R
4. 18.95 R2 D F2 R2 L2 D' U2 B2 R2 L2 D R B L2 F D2 L2 U' R L2 B2
5. 26.56 U F2 D' R2 U2 L2 U2 F2 R2 U' R2 B R' D2 U' R' D R B L F2 R2
6. 23.07 R2 D' U' B2 R2 U R2 U' F2 D' U' F' R D2 L D' R U F2 L B' R
7. 25.71 F2 L2 U2 F2 L2 D' L2 U R2 L2 F2 R' U' B D' F L' U' B' R2 F R'
8. 28.03 D R2 F2 R2 U' R2 D2 U B2 R2 U2 R F' D B F2 L D R B' L'
9. 24.35 D U L2 U B2 U' R2 L2 U2 L2 B2 L D' R2 U' L' D B F L F U2
10. 17.57 R2 B2 D' L2 B2 R2 U L2 D' B2 U L' B D2 F L' D L2 F' L' B2 D'
11. 25.39 F2 D2 F2 U' R2 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 F2 R' B' R F D R' F2 D2 L' D2 U2
12. 25.78 D2 B2 L2 D L2 U' B2 U' L2 B U' R2 L' U R' D' L' D' L' U'
 
Ok, I did Ao50 because I felt the times where going slower towards the 50.. Still I had an 26.26 average, which is EXACTLY the same as my current Ao100 PB.. I feel pretty good about that. Since this is pure color neutral..

Mean: 26.26
Standard deviation: 3.41
Best Time: 17.57
Worst Time: 32.57

Best average of 5: 22.75
3-7 - 19.48 (18.95) (26.56) 23.07 25.71

Best average of 12: 24.12
3-14 - 19.48 18.95 26.56 23.07 25.71 (28.03) 24.35 (17.57) 25.39 25.78 26.50 25.42

1. 29.43 D2 B2 R2 B2 U B2 D' F2 L2 U2 R2 F' U F2 L U2 B' F R' B R
2. 29.42 B2 F2 R2 U B2 R2 D2 L2 U' F2 L2 B L D2 B2 L' D' B L2 U2 B
3. 19.48 D' L2 F2 U F2 D' F2 R2 U L2 F U F2 R2 F' D L' D U2 B2 U'
4. 18.95 R2 D F2 R2 L2 D' U2 B2 R2 L2 D R B L2 F D2 L2 U' R L2 B2
5. 26.56 U F2 D' R2 U2 L2 U2 F2 R2 U' R2 B R' D2 U' R' D R B L F2 R2
6. 23.07 R2 D' U' B2 R2 U R2 U' F2 D' U' F' R D2 L D' R U F2 L B' R
7. 25.71 F2 L2 U2 F2 L2 D' L2 U R2 L2 F2 R' U' B D' F L' U' B' R2 F R'
8. 28.03 D R2 F2 R2 U' R2 D2 U B2 R2 U2 R F' D B F2 L D R B' L'
9. 24.35 D U L2 U B2 U' R2 L2 U2 L2 B2 L D' R2 U' L' D B F L F U2
10. 17.57 R2 B2 D' L2 B2 R2 U L2 D' B2 U L' B D2 F L' D L2 F' L' B2 D'
11. 25.39 F2 D2 F2 U' R2 D2 B2 L2 U' L2 F2 R' B' R F D R' F2 D2 L' D2 U2
12. 25.78 D2 B2 L2 D L2 U' B2 U' L2 B U' R2 L' U R' D' L' D' L' U'
13. 26.50 D L2 D R2 B2 D F2 L2 D2 R2 U2 F' R2 L B R L2 D2 U' R' B2 U'
14. 25.42 D' B2 U2 L2 F2 D2 L2 B2 D' F2 U' B D' F2 R2 D F U' F R D' U'
15. 21.09 U L2 D2 L2 D' B2 F2 D' B2 F2 U R' D2 B R' F' R2 B2 L' B2 D2 U
16. 31.75 B2 U L2 D2 R2 F2 D U2 B2 D' B2 R' D' U R2 B' R B2 D' L' U'
17. 22.50 D F2 R2 D2 F2 D' B2 F2 U2 L2 D' R' D2 U B2 L' B F2 L' F' U2 L
18. 25.71 L2 D L2 U' B2 L2 U' B2 D' F2 U2 F' L2 F' U F2 L' U F R' B'
19. 29.40 D B2 F2 R2 U' R2 U B2 D' B2 D2 B U' R L2 D' B2 D2 F R2 L' U'
20. 23.81 D' L2 F2 L2 D' R2 L2 U F2 D U F L' B' R2 D' R2 F' D L2 F' D'
21. 23.25 R2 F2 R2 F2 L2 U' L2 D U2 R2 D F L F2 U2 L2 D2 L U' R D2
22. 24.21 F2 U R2 B2 D U2 R2 D2 F2 L2 U' B' F2 R2 D B U2 R' F D B'
23. 24.21 D B2 D2 B2 U' L2 F2 R2 U R2 U2 F L' B2 L B' R' F D' U2 R U2
24. 23.01 B2 L2 U B2 D B2 D' B2 F2 L2 D L U F R2 B' L B' L' U' F
25. 31.60 U2 F2 L2 U2 F2 L2 U F2 D R2 U2 B U' R' F2 U' B' R' B' D
26. 27.65 B2 F2 D' R2 F2 D L2 U' F2 L2 U B F2 U L' D' R D U R B'
27. 29.61 U' R2 D L2 D' R2 D F2 U L2 D' B' L2 D2 R' F L2 D2 F R D' U'
28. 30.09 D' B2 R2 D B2 L2 D2 R2 U L2 D L' F U2 L D2 R2 U B2 F L'
29. 24.82 F2 D' B2 U' B2 D' R2 D2 F2 U' R D R' B' R' U B R' U' F
30. 27.43 L2 D U2 F2 U' L2 F2 R2 U L2 U' B' U2 F2 L' B2 L2 D' B F D'
31. 27.42 F2 L2 B2 U B2 L2 F2 R2 D' U' B' F L' U' L B2 D2 R' L2 U
32. 23.82 U2 R2 U' F2 D' F2 D L2 D' B2 R2 F' U L2 B' R B' R2 L' U B U2
33. 30.50 U2 R2 F2 U' R2 F2 D L2 U R2 L2 B' R L' U B' R' U R U' L D2
34. 23.09 D U R2 D2 L2 F2 L2 D B2 F2 L2 B L' B' F' R F' D' B L F L2
35. 27.64 R2 D' L2 B2 U' R2 U2 F2 U R2 D2 F' D' U B2 F' U' R2 F' R' D2 L
36. 28.84 B2 D B2 D' U2 L2 D B2 R2 B2 D B' L' U R2 D2 F R U2 F D2
37. 24.26 D2 L2 F2 R2 U L2 F2 D' L2 U2 L2 F L' F2 L2 B' U2 B2 L2 U R' U'
38. 26.64 D R2 D2 F2 R2 B2 D F2 U' B2 U L' B' F' L2 D R D2 L' D2 F U
39. 32.57 D' F2 L2 F2 D2 U' F2 R2 U L2 U' R B2 U B' R2 F' D' U' L2 B' U2
40. 28.93 R2 D2 R2 F2 R2 L2 U' L2 B2 D' U' B R L2 B' U2 B' D2 R' B U
41. 30.45 B2 R2 D2 L2 D' F2 R2 D L2 D' U2 F R2 L' D2 F R' D R B' D U
42. 32.18 R2 F2 R2 D' R2 B2 U B2 D' F2 U B' L F' U2 R2 B U' R D
43. 23.48 B2 D' L2 U2 L2 F2 D2 F2 U' B2 U L D' B' D L F U2 F2 R2 L2
44. 24.18 U' R2 F2 R2 U2 R2 U' B2 R2 B2 U' R' F' R L2 F' R' L2 B' U' L2
45. 23.68 F2 D2 B2 L2 U' B2 D B2 L2 U R2 B' R' D2 F' R' B' R D' U' L U
46. 30.34 D2 R2 D2 F2 L2 F2 U B2 D R2 D R' B2 F2 U F' U2 F' D2 R L2
47. 26.06 B2 L2 D F2 D' R2 D' F2 U L2 F2 L U F' R2 L2 D2 U2 F' L' F2
48. 28.50 B2 U' R2 D U' F2 L2 D F2 U F R' F U2 L2 U2 L' B' L2
49. 28.37 L2 B2 D2 B2 D F2 U R2 F2 D2 R' U2 R' B D2 U2 R' D F2 L D
50. 26.01 D U L2 B2 U R2 B2 R2 B2 U R2 F U B' F' U2 R2 L U R' L U'
 
Congrats, some nice times. My average is similar to yours, but my standard deviation is lower. This means most of my solves are 24-28s, I have VERY few that get down below 23, maybe 5 in an Ao50. I've had 4 lucky sub-20s and one non-lucky... but then maybe I have fewer sup-30's?

Do you find your times vary more or less when you're doing colour-neutral sessions, or are they roughly the same? I've considered going CN, but I don't think I can look far enough into the solve to make a difference - just because the cross might be easier on red/orange/x, doesn't mean I'll be any quicker finding my first pair. I'm not sure if a second saved on the cross will help when it comes to what I will lose in F2L recognition... After a while being CN, do you find F2L any more difficult on, for example, orange cross than on white?
 
Kattenvriendin said:
Wow nice times there! :tu Color neutral on ALL colors, right? So not excluding white if it happens to be a good one?
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All colors including white.
pipkiksass said:
Congrats, some nice times. My average is similar to yours, but my standard deviation is lower. This means most of my solves are 24-28s, I have VERY few that get down below 23, maybe 5 in an Ao50. I've had 4 lucky sub-20s and one non-lucky... but then maybe I have fewer sup-30's?

Do you find your times vary more or less when you're doing colour-neutral sessions, or are they roughly the same? I've considered going CN, but I don't think I can look far enough into the solve to make a difference - just because the cross might be easier on red/orange/x, doesn't mean I'll be any quicker finding my first pair. I'm not sure if a second saved on the cross will help when it comes to what I will lose in F2L recognition... After a while being CN, do you find F2L any more difficult on, for example, orange cross than on white?
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I think if I would pick a different color as a single cross color i would do great on green or orange. But I am faster on white. But at the recent competition I did white only and also the training before the competition I switched to white only training. The problem that occurred was that I lost my mojo. All look ahead was gone. Since I do not need look ahead to get sub 30 with white cross. Just real fast turning. The problem on the competition was nerves and no look ahead. Right after the competition I switched back to CN training. Meaning no white what so ever. And on timed session I use all colors including white. That way I train look ahead much better. Todays 'bad' times where not really because of doing CN solves. But just distractions by my 3 year old boy.. I have to answer questions 'Can I have a cooky ;) '

I think if you want to switch to CN to get faster times, just do not do it. Staying with a single color probably will get you faster times. I do CN because I think it is way more fun, I want to use the easy crosses, and learn better look ahead because of CN training.
 
MarcelP said:
I think if I would pick a different color as a single cross color i would do great on green or orange. But I am faster on white. But at the recent competition I did white only and also the training before the competition I switched to white only training. The problem that occurred was that I lost my mojo. All look ahead was gone. Since I do not need look ahead to get sub 30 with white cross. Just real fast turning. The problem on the competition was nerves and no look ahead. Right after the competition I switched back to CN training. Meaning no white what so ever. And on timed session I use all colors including white. That way I train look ahead much better. Todays 'bad' times where not really because of doing CN solves. But just distractions by my 3 year old boy.. I have to answer questions 'Can I have a cooky ;) '

I think if you want to switch to CN to get faster times, just do not do it. Staying with a single color probably will get you faster times. I do CN because I think it is way more fun, I want to use the easy crosses, and learn better look ahead because of CN training.
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Distractions from your son sound like how it is here. I get those types of questions too. :)

I tried CN for a month but decided it wasn't worth the trouble. But I am always doing dual colour crosses now white/yellow. It doesn't confuse me. I think I still preferred to do white for awhile for visual reasons but I think that was because the yellow stickers that come with the cubes have such a dull shade that it was harder to spot. I still chose whichever was the best cross though but I wasn't very happy solving yellow. Since I got some new stickers recently and put on fluorescent yellow, it's equally good as white.
 
MarcelP said:
I think if you want to switch to CN to get faster times, just do not do it. Staying with a single color probably will get you faster times. I do CN because I think it is way more fun, I want to use the easy crosses, and learn better look ahead because of CN training.
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I'm not personally interested in being colour neutral (at least not right now), I already have far too many things to work on, but it's something I've dabbled with and find interesting too. There are a million and one things for me to practice if I want to speed up, I'm more curious really about your experience with colour neutrality: not so much directly about speed, but whether CN sessions have greater variance than white cross sessions, and if it's possible to ever be truly neutral. Just something I've wondered about - as the Ao50 was all cross colours, would you say the really fast solves (the sub-20's) were on a mixture of cross colours? What about the slower solves? Same question - would be interesting to know if, for example, the sup-30s were all red cross, or something like that, or if the sub-20's were all white/yellow, or a complete mixture. Disregarding cookie-related interruptions, obviously! ;)

On the distraction front I'm lucky, in a sense - my daughter is only 8 months, and too young to distract me! Having said that, I don't cube while she's up, but she goes to bed pretty early. She does have a tendency to try and eat my cubes if I leave them lying around though!
 
You obviously have the same taste in cubes as my daughter! She likes my white zhanchi with full-brights, not so keen on black guhong 2 with half-brights, and the store-bought Rubik's standard cube... well she isn't keen on that at all, not one bit!

In other news, she's done a 2-gen solve. I turned let's say U then let her turn it back, then the same with R... then I did U, R and she did R', U'.

Kids are great!!!
 
pipkiksass said:
I'm not personally interested in being colour neutral (at least not right now), I already have far too many things to work on, but it's something I've dabbled with and find interesting too. There are a million and one things for me to practice if I want to speed up, I'm more curious really about your experience with colour neutrality: not so much directly about speed, but whether CN sessions have greater variance than white cross sessions, and if it's possible to ever be truly neutral. Just something I've wondered about - as the Ao50 was all cross colours, would you say the really fast solves (the sub-20's) were on a mixture of cross colours? What about the slower solves? Same question - would be interesting to know if, for example, the sup-30s were all red cross, or something like that, or if the sub-20's were all white/yellow, or a complete mixture. Disregarding cookie-related interruptions, obviously! ;)

On the distraction front I'm lucky, in a sense - my daughter is only 8 months, and too young to distract me! Having said that, I don't cube while she's up, but she goes to bed pretty early. She does have a tendency to try and eat my cubes if I leave them lying around though!
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pipkiksass said:
You obviously have the same taste in cubes as my daughter! She likes my white zhanchi with full-brights, not so keen on black guhong 2 with half-brights, and the store-bought Rubik's standard cube... well she isn't keen on that at all, not one bit!

In other news, she's done a 2-gen solve. I turned let's say U then let her turn it back, then the same with R... then I did U, R and she did R', U'.

Kids are great!!!
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That's really good for an 8-month old. I have a picture of my son tasting my white lunhui, but I couldn't find it to show you. I think he was something like 8 months at the time.
 
Well, Sami, here two years old was averaging allready 40 seconds here.. These pics clearly prove that. LOL
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