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Both algs are very usefull and in fact are comms with M2 added.
I’m just relaxing today watching some movies and spamming these algs. By next weekend, I ought to have them down well enough to confidently be using M2 for edges.

Even with my slower setups and return, I can tell this is MUCH faster than OP edges. Once I’m over the learning curve, I’m interested to see what my times end up being.
 
@pglewis i like that you have “waged war” on your time goal! That’s motivation for sure!

I'll probably call a temporary cease-fire at this point. My consistency is much better than the last time I checked Ao50, still needs some work but shouldn't be long now. I'm sure I could nab a sub :25 if I keep attacking it but I figure I'm better off returning to slow deliberate solves now, that's where i get most of the impact.

I’m just relaxing today watching some movies and spamming these algs. By next weekend, I ought to have them down well enough to confidently be using M2 for edges.

Even with my slower setups and return, I can tell this is MUCH faster than OP edges. Once I’m over the learning curve, I’m interested to see what my times end up being.

You'll have it comfortable in no time. C/W are short, I/S aren't bad and are just inverses of one another, Q is worth knowing one of the M/U algs... and the rest are really very intuitive setups. It does bring along a few novel ways to make mistakes but the lower move count is well worth it.
 
I was trying to avoid learning the longer alg for FU and BD targets, but drilling those a little will be easier in the short term and pay off in the long run.
Both algs are very usefull and in fact are comms with M2 added.
Yeah I agree with Grzegorz. I have no idea why people make such a big deal out of these algs. They'll happily learn dozens of CFOP algs, but recoil at the thought of learning these two M2 algs that are about as difficult as an easy OLL and so similar to each other that it's really only like learning 1.5 algs.

I wonder why that is? Any thoughts?
 
Yeah I agree with Grzegorz. I have no idea why people make such a big deal out of these algs. They'll happily learn dozens of CFOP algs, but recoil at the thought of learning these two M2 algs that are about as difficult as an easy OLL and so similar to each other that it's really only like learning 1.5 algs.

I wonder why that is? Any thoughts?
I'll take a shot at it. Learning BLD is a daunting task for most. Adding algs to learn plus the odd/even switch just adds to the difficulty (even if it's not all that much more), when that's just less you have to worry about with OP. So you can learn the stuff necessary to do what seems like an overwhelming task at first, or you can learn all of that stuff AND learn some algs plus the odd/even swap thing. Some people will choose the first option. Simple as that, I think.

Also, learning BLD is a new experience with lots of new stuff to learn, similar to first learning 3x3, and nobody learns dozens of CFOP algs right off the bat before they attempt a 3x3 solve, so that doesn't seem like a fair comparison.

For my personal experience, which I realize isn't typical, those algs were awkward to learn (I'm not great at learning algs, and don't really like to either). I literally learned OP/OP from scratch and had a successful solve in less time than it took me to learn the algs for M2.
 
Yeah I agree with Grzegorz. I have no idea why people make such a big deal out of these algs. They'll happily learn dozens of CFOP algs, but recoil at the thought of learning these two M2 algs that are about as difficult as an easy OLL and so similar to each other that it's really only like learning 1.5 algs.

I wonder why that is? Any thoughts?
My personal experience: I very rarely practise BLD, so I'm not super motivated to learn any "fancy" stuff for it; I couldn't be bothered to learn any algs for M2, so I just did TuRBo instead. (I think I understand how to use M2 now, but there's no reason for me to go from 3-cycles to M2.)
 
I have no idea why people make such a big deal out of these algs.

I'll take a shot at it. Learning BLD is a daunting task for most. Adding algs to learn plus the odd/even switch just adds to the difficulty (even if it's not all that much more), when that's just less you have to worry about with OP. So you can learn the stuff necessary to do what seems like an overwhelming task at first, or you can learn all of that stuff AND learn some algs plus the odd/even swap thing. Some people will choose the first option. Simple as that, I think.



My personal experience: I very rarely practise BLD, so I'm not super motivated to learn any "fancy" stuff for it;
I think that's the reason. I remember me learning it - they both seems easy now but both seemed very strange and like a twins.
 
Yeah I agree with Grzegorz. I have no idea why people make such a big deal out of these algs. They'll happily learn dozens of CFOP algs, but recoil at the thought of learning these two M2 algs that are about as difficult as an easy OLL and so similar to each other that it's really only like learning 1.5 algs.

I wonder why that is? Any thoughts?
As for me, there were a few reasons why I never learned them:

- The fact that the algs were similar was not a pro but a con, since it seemed like I'd be likely to confuse the two.
- By the time I started learning BLD, I was at the point where I'd re-discover cubing for a few weeks, then completely lose interest for months at a time, so I knew I had to learn BLD in a way that would stay with me after a long hiatus, which meant trying to avoid learning new long algs.
- I don't remember the tutorial I learned from (maybe it was Zane's), but the last video was titled something like "getting faster", and it explained how you could avoid the difficult targets by doing a setup move to move the target to a different location, solving 2 pairs, then undoing the setup move. This actually seemed a lot easier to me than using the algs; so for awhile whenever I'd get I, I'd just do U' to solve M instead, similarly, if I got Q I'd do U to solve M, and if I got S I'd do B and solve T.
 
Was surprised to see the FU/BD target algs for M2 stuck from yesterday. I realise they are the reverse of each other and appreciate that since I can not just do one followed by the other. If done right, the cube returns to the starting state. Makes it easy to drill both algs.
 
On M2: I had already decided to be very patient when I took up 3bld and went straight for M2/OP from the start. I had it in my mind that it would take me 1-3 months to get a success so a few algs didn't intimidate me. Of course, it turns out it's a lot easier than I'd imagined and I got a success in a week.
 
I decided to do a video of something completely different. This was the start of a recent Pyraminx session (6.53 Ao12) which is fairly representative of my global average (probably around 6.7-ish).

Maybe a couple of you are interested in seeing some Pyraminx solves!

I’m still a little confused, so let me see if I got this straight. You solve your V then you recognize your L4E case and solve with one alg. Something like 29 cases? And after I solve my V, I solve the back edge. Which makes it a top first method even though I always do a V first.
 
I’m still a little confused, so let me see if I got this straight. You solve your V then you recognize your L4E case and solve with one alg. Something like 29 cases? And after I solve my V, I solve the back edge. Which makes it a top first method even though I always do a V first.

The video below should clear up any confusion about v-first vs top-first - skip to 2:35

There are 36 L4E cases including solved (i.e. 35 algs). I haven't seen a complete set online other than my own page:

https://cubing.mikeg.me.uk/algs/l4e.html

 
On M2: I had already decided to be very patient when I took up 3bld and went straight for M2/OP from the start. I had it in my mind that it would take me 1-3 months to get a success so a few algs didn't intimidate me. Of course, it turns out it's a lot easier than I'd imagined and I got a success in a week.
im not in a hurry with 3BLD either. Part of why I started with OP/OP was to systematically work through it all so I could best understand what I was doing. In retrospect, M2 wasn’t difficult to understand. At the start, however, it was easier for me to learn the BLD solving process by doing so without any need to learn a new Alg—that’s just how my brain works. I tend to take things slow and methodically through my own process. That said, at the beginning of the year my goal was to get a success in 3BLD by the end of 2018. Sooooooo.... that’s come and gone. Lol
 
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The video below should clear up any confusion about v-first vs top-first - skip to 2:35

There are 36 L4E cases including solved (i.e. 35 algs). I haven't seen a complete set online other than my own page:

https://cubing.mikeg.me.uk/algs/l4e.html

Lol, Drew cracks me up... here’s my summary of the video:

“Hey guys, I made this video to show you how to get fast. But I can’t show you anything. It’s all intuitive and requires lots of practice. If you don’t like intuitive, then learn a lot of algs and practice a lot.”
 
Lol, Drew cracks me up... here’s my summary of the video:

“Hey guys, I made this video to show you how to get fast. But I can’t show you anything. It’s all intuitive and requires lots of practice. If you don’t like intuitive, then learn a lot of algs and practice a lot.”
That's kinda what I got as well :)
 
I didn't practice much OH in the last 2-3 months and getting fast again it's taking me much more effort than I thought. I'm still around one second slower, but...

3x3 OH Ao12 PB: 23.625 (was 23.942 from 2/Feb)

11603 30-may-2018 14:07:29 00:21.543 U' F2 L2 U L2 D' U' L2 B2 D2 L2 B F2 D' R' L2 B2 F D2 R2 U
11602 30-may-2018 14:06:35 00:26.286 D' R2 D U F2 R2 U' R2 F2 R2 U2 B L' B2 F2 U' R' F U2 B' U'
11601 30-may-2018 14:05:43 00:27.744 U2 R2 D' B2 D F2 R2 D' L2 F2 U L' D' F' R B2 R2 F' D' R2 F' D
11600 30-may-2018 14:04:53 00:18.535 B2 D2 B2 R2 L2 U' R2 U L2 D' U F' R' F2 D2 L' U' F L' F D2
11599 30-may-2018 14:04:05 00:27.271 U2 L2 D R2 L2 U L2 U R2 F2 L2 B F D' R B' L U R' L D'
11598 30-may-2018 14:03:24 00:21.575 B2 L2 B2 F2 U' F2 U' F2 U' R2 U B L' B2 U' F D' U F' L D
11597 30-may-2018 14:02:39 00:20.079 U B2 F2 L2 U' B2 U' B2 D L2 U' B' U2 L' D' F2 R2 L B2 D F'
11596 30-may-2018 14:01:53 00:24.918 D' R2 B2 U F2 D R2 U2 B2 R2 U R D' B2 U' F2 R2 D' F' R2 D
11595 30-may-2018 14:01:09 00:17.479 B2 D2 L2 B2 D' F2 L2 F2 L2 U' B2 R' B' D2 B2 R F' D B F' R'
11594 30-may-2018 14:00:19 00:30.174 R2 D2 U' R2 F2 L2 B2 U' F2 L2 D' B L2 U2 R' U2 F' U2 L' F R2
11593 30-may-2018 13:59:30 00:21.805 L2 B2 U R2 D2 F2 U B2 D B2 F2 L F' R F' U2 L D' U' B' F D
11592 30-may-2018 13:58:47 00:26.494 L2 D B2 L2 B2 L2 U F2 D B2 U L' F2 D2 B' D' B2 L B2 D U'
 
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