mark49152
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Sounds like you'll fit in nicely here
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One Wheel
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I'm not sure, but I think I may be the youngest to post semi-regularly to this thread. I turned 31 earlier this month.
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SpartanSailor
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It’s always nice to get some youthful perspective.
newtonbase
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4/9 MBLD. Got myself totally confused when I picked up cube 5 instead of 4 and ended up screwing up both of them. Also messed up my 3BLD execution pretty badly. The other 2 were minors.
mark49152
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@newtonbase - time?
pglewis
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I've talked about setting up a letter pair database for a while but kept putting it off because I wasn't in the mood to massage my image pair data out of the Google spreadsheet and into a relational DB. After hitting a bunch of images that stumped me while practicing and during my official attempts I finally broke down and migrated the data so I can throw a quick "flash cards" exercise together. I could have gone with Anki I suppose but I still have visions of a shared images DB one day.
After getting it all moved over, I was pleased to see I'm down to only 50 empty slots.
After getting it all moved over, I was pleased to see I'm down to only 50 empty slots.
newtonbase
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59:00 (40:25) Memo was a bit slow but not terrible Execution was awful due to solving and reversing the wrong cube before making a hash of it again. Hoping for a score when I try again on Thursday.
mark49152
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Good timing tho. How do you organise your memo?
dboeren
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I'm working my way through learning all 42 CMLL algorithms and it's a lot of work. I know probably more of you are CFOP users but the total number of algorithms is roughly similar. For you other old guys out there with families and jobs and limited time to cube, at what pace did you manage to memorize your chosen algorithm set? I feel like it's going to take me most of a week for each subset of 6 at my current pace.
Jason Green
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I don't remember exactly, probably 6 a week was pretty close on average for me though. I would try not to move on until I had practiced enough real solves to see the cases a decent amount and make sure I had them down. That worked well as far as them sticking once I did move on to the next ones.
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newtonbase
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I'm still experimenting but blocks of 4 seems about right. Memo 1-4, review, memo 5-6,review all. Review all again just in case and then mess up 3BLD.
Each cube gets a different room with 2 locations for edges and 1 for corners. I aim for 4 words at the first edge location but it could be between 3 and all. Getting a solid memo on the first pass is the main challenge. I'm still learning what sticks best and my letter pairs list needs a lot of work.
mark49152
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Sounds very similar to what I do. I try to rush initial memo as reviews seem more effective than dwelling on initial memo when it comes to making it stick.
newtonbase
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Yes, I'm trying to trust myself a little more with that but I dislike having to completely rework a memo on a review. I'll have plenty more attempts to work out what works best by Peterborough.
SpartanSailor
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I don’t even know. It took me MONTHS to learn full OLL and PLL. I try to learn little bits at a time and just accept that it takes me forever. I can’t imagine doing sufficiently many solves to “learn” an new alg set at this point. Not in days, or even weeks, anyway.
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I learned PLL in just a few weeks, but that was not so hard because it's all I worked on during those few weeks. And I learned algs based on how easy they were to learn, not how fast they were, so I wound up having to relearn most of them. :-( But that was many years ago.
The OLLs took me years. I went through several periods after learning them all where I forgot a bunch of them and had to relearn them. I'm happy to say that I know them all now, but I've spent most of my time cubing not knowing them all.
The OLLs took me years. I went through several periods after learning them all where I forgot a bunch of them and had to relearn them. I'm happy to say that I know them all now, but I've spent most of my time cubing not knowing them all.
One Wheel
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This is almost exactly how I'm going about it, but I'm only about 3 years in, maybe halfway through OLL.
SpartanSailor
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I’d agree for OLL. I still have to “relearn” some of them. They just don’t come up frequently enough to get reinforced without specific practice. And I’m pretty sure I’m not using the optimal PLL algs either. I’d did the same and learned the ones that were easiest to learn. I’ve begun identifying the ones that could be done better, but haven’t committed to relearning those yet. I still have a LOT of F2L improvement to focus on.
dboeren
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Yes, I read advice that you should take care to learn the "good" algorithms up front to prevent having to re-learn better ones later and that makes a lot of sense to me. I'm working from Kian Mansour's list of CMLL algs.
Last night I made up an Anki (flashcard software) deck so I can randomly drill myself. So far I only have 6 cases I'm practicing. It lists the case like "H Columns", then I do the alg, verify that I didn't mess up the cube, and then check to make sure my alg matches the one I was supposed to do and performing it again. This was just on my phone as sort of a proof of concept, I may try to make a better deck with pics on the computer later.
Last night I made up an Anki (flashcard software) deck so I can randomly drill myself. So far I only have 6 cases I'm practicing. It lists the case like "H Columns", then I do the alg, verify that I didn't mess up the cube, and then check to make sure my alg matches the one I was supposed to do and performing it again. This was just on my phone as sort of a proof of concept, I may try to make a better deck with pics on the computer later.
pglewis
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Yeah, case frequency is a huge factor for me. Learning PLL went fairly quickly after 4LLL, OLL less so, and COLL is taking a while just to get H and Pi solid. I also consider "learning an alg" to have at least three components: learning the alg, getting it into muscle memory, and case recognition.
After PLL I picked up new OLLs piece-meal for a while. By last fall I was at roughly half of OLL and it was beginning to cause a recognition tug of war between my 2-look and 1-look cases. It took me ~2-3 months to learn the rest of the 'em and probably another month or two before they were up to the same speed as my developed 2-look OLL on average. Muscle memory still needs a lot of work for some of them and recognition/AUF will be an ongoing thing for months to come to cut the pauses. All the lower frequency OLL cases except H are on my "drill these" list because they're still dodgy.
After PLL I picked up new OLLs piece-meal for a while. By last fall I was at roughly half of OLL and it was beginning to cause a recognition tug of war between my 2-look and 1-look cases. It took me ~2-3 months to learn the rest of the 'em and probably another month or two before they were up to the same speed as my developed 2-look OLL on average. Muscle memory still needs a lot of work for some of them and recognition/AUF will be an ongoing thing for months to come to cut the pauses. All the lower frequency OLL cases except H are on my "drill these" list because they're still dodgy.
