Older cubers discussions

[JanW]

I'm pretty happy with my PLL recognition. Depending on the case and the angle I see the cube, I can mostly tell from two sides, sometimes I need to glance at a third one. But that's not slowing it down very much. I have much more to improve when it comes to OLL recognition. All those cases with two adjacent edges oriented, I learned to recognize with the oriented edges L and B. I find that I'm doing way too many unnecessary AUFs as I often turn U layer to that position, then undo the U move to solve the thing. These extra moves take a lot more time than it takes to glance at a 3rd side during PLL. I'm doing less of them the more I solve, but really should get rid of them completely.

 

[pglewis]

I'm pretty happy with my PLL recognition. Depending on the case and the angle I see the cube, I can mostly tell from two sides, sometimes I need to glance at a third one. But that's not slowing it down very much. I have much more to improve when it comes to OLL recognition. All those cases with two adjacent edges oriented, I learned to recognize with the oriented edges L and B. I find that I'm doing way too many unnecessary AUFs as I often turn U layer to that position, then undo the U move to solve the thing. These extra moves take a lot more time than it takes to glance at a 3rd side during PLL. I'm doing less of them the more I solve, but really should get rid of them completely.

This is me, exactly. 2-sided PLL still needs some work, I still auto-U2 for some cases out of laziness. But OLL recog is a much bigger drain on my longer averages, especially the L cases for edges.

 

[openseas]

On the whole, I feel decent about tonite’s practice. Still have 25 more days to prepare for Charleston.

Last week, met Vanessa (Dylan's mom) & talked about you looking forward to meeting you there!

The one that helped me understand comms the most is actually Daniel Sheppard's 4BLD centres video.

Got my first sub 10 min 4BLD DNF. 6 centres off. Centres do seem to be my weakest area. I make far to many errors despite the memo being pretty easy.

Just checked his 4BLD center tutorial, actually, it is quite good!
So far, I've got 5 sub 10 attempt but only one success. 4 sub 10 dnfs were close but looks like my execution is quite slow - close to 1:1. I still need to drill a lot of center comms (mines are U2 heavy, really inefficient) but not for this week (or next week for that matters :-()

 

[mitja]

There's nothing great that I know of. Noah has a go at explaining it and Ollie Frost has a video with some basic comms that can be built on. The one that helped me understand comms the most is actually Daniel Sheppard's 4BLD centres video.

thanks, I did check Noah and Oliver, and i do understand the concept. I read about BH here on forum, I understand the theory, but to get into practical application is hard. I will check Daniel's videos today.

 

[SpartanSailor]

Last week, met Vanessa (Dylan's mom) & talked about you looking forward to meeting you there!

You will know me... I’ll be the other old guy competing. Ha!

I’m looking forward to meeting you as well.

 

[Mike Hughey]

I feel like expressing some frustration today, and this seems like a good place to do it. I feel like I'm an old dog that can't learn new tricks. I've been trying for a while now for 3x3x3 BLD to switch to memorizing edges with audio loop and corners with images. Well, I'm not really just trying anymore; I've done nothing but this for 8 months or so, so I've completely switched - I probably couldn't go the other way if I tried. But I just can't get consistent with it like I was before when I put corners in audio and edges in images. If I get an easy 10/6 scramble, I generally have not too much trouble, but if I get something with 14 targets for edges, it becomes completely hopeless - it takes me a minute or more to pack it such that I can remember the audio loop. I can't remember the first part of the loop well enough while constructing the rest of it, and the whole thing is sufficiently long that it takes too many times repeating it before it actually makes sense as a sound that I can remember.

Anyone have any suggestions for how I might get better at it? It's so frustrating - I was pretty good at this at one time, but now I'm just terrible. I can still do big cubes BLD and multi pretty tolerably, but 3x3x3 BLD is just hopeless. :-(

 

[newtonbase]

I feel like expressing some frustration today, and this seems like a good place to do it. I feel like I'm an old dog that can't learn new tricks. I've been trying for a while now for 3x3x3 BLD to switch to memorizing edges with audio loop and corners with images. Well, I'm not really just trying anymore; I've done nothing but this for 8 months or so, so I've completely switched - I probably couldn't go the other way if I tried. But I just can't get consistent with it like I was before when I put corners in audio and edges in images. If I get an easy 10/6 scramble, I generally have not too much trouble, but if I get something with 14 targets for edges, it becomes completely hopeless - it takes me a minute or more to pack it such that I can remember the audio loop. I can't remember the first part of the loop well enough while constructing the rest of it, and the whole thing is sufficiently long that it takes too many times repeating it before it actually makes sense as a sound that I can remember.

Anyone have any suggestions for how I might get better at it? It's so frustrating - I was pretty good at this at one time, but now I'm just terrible. I can still do big cubes BLD and multi pretty tolerably, but 3x3x3 BLD is just hopeless. :-(

Are you using any kind of rhythm with the words? I like to say them like they are a ditty or the first 2 lines of a limerick

 

[Mike Hughey]

Are you using any kind of rhythm with the words? I like to say them like they are a ditty or the first 2 lines of a limerick

I definitely never tried that. I guess I could give it a try.

 

[One Wheel]

Are you using any kind of rhythm with the words? I like to say them like they are a ditty or the first 2 lines of a limerick

A sing-song rhythm or simple melody is fantastic for memorizing, in general. I've memorized quite a few bible verses that way. Hearing people quote bible verses to the tune of popular country songs is hilarious, btw.

 

[mark49152]

@Mike Hughey : I empathise because I often feel stuck these days.

Rhythm certainly helps, as does comedy. For tricky sounds I often imagine Lt Worf spitting then out in exaggerated Klingon.

Pushing yourself with harder tasks also helps. I use audio for 4BLD centres, which is about 50% more to remember. I'm obviously slower with that, but when I go back to 3BLD, audio edges feels easier.

 

[Mike Hughey]

@Mike Hughey : I empathise because I often feel stuck these days.

Rhythm certainly helps, as does comedy. For tricky sounds I often imagine Lt Worf spitting then out in exaggerated Klingon.

Pushing yourself with harder tasks also helps. I use audio for 4BLD centres, which is about 50% more to remember. I'm obviously slower with that, but when I go back to 3BLD, audio edges feels easier.

I've been fearful of trying audio for 4BLD centers. I figure expanding 3BLD audio went really badly, and I don't want to mess up another event. It kind of scares me to try.

 

[mark49152]

I've been fearful of trying audio for 4BLD centers. I figure expanding 3BLD audio went really badly, and I don't want to mess up another event. It kind of scares me to try.

Fortune favours the brave....

 

[pglewis]

A random F2L alg for a change of pace. Case: corner solved in BR slot, F2L edge in the U layer, edge in the slot is misoriented. This would be the sledge - R U R' solution in the FR. Meets all the criteria I was looking for: no B face turns or rotations, 100% functionally equivalent to the solution from the front, still 7 HTM. Obviously can easily mirror for the BL slot.

Lw U' R' U Lw' U' R

 

[pglewis]

And one more that I picked up from @JanW a while back that I think is buried gold. Same case as sledge - R U R' but you'd rather preserve EO. I don't think I've ever seen this one listed and it flows much better for me than the typical R/U solution (starting the F' move with the thumb from the bottom). It's also executed from the same AUF as the sledge based solution so I can AUF before I know the EO situation. No great translation for back slots yet (currently I either rotate or just do the one from the previous post, EO be damned).

F' - sexy - R' F R

 

[JanW]

And one more that I picked up from @JanW a while back that I think is buried gold. Same case as sledge - R U R' but you'd rather preserve EO. I don't think I've ever seen this one listed and it flows much better for me than the typical R/U solution (starting the F' move with the thumb from the bottom). It's also executed from the same AUF as the sledge based solution so I can AUF before I know the EO situation. No great translation for back slots yet (currently I either rotate or just do the one from the previous post, EO be damned).

F' - sexy - R' F R

Yeah, I really like that one. I found it by mistake when I didn't remember one of my COLL algs and happened to do that instead. Have used it since.

It seems you can find it in algdb, though it's not very high on the list.

 

[mark49152]

My progress on MBLD has been pretty slow. I started shooting for 20 cubes last July and this is still only my 9th or 10th attempt, and first since January. I wish I could find more opportunities for an uninterrupted hour to practise!

 

[openseas]

Completed today's event
3BLD, really bad. After 7 official DNF, really went safe & slow, mid 2 min success.

Multi, worst ever,. 2/8, messed up lots of comms.

333: didn't expect much so consistent 26, no complaint s

5BLD, one attempt - mixed one x-center comm

4BLD, two attempts, 11:01 DNF, 13:19 success. Long way to go sub 10 but first podium together with my son

 

[pglewis]

My progress on MBLD has been pretty slow. I started shooting for 20 cubes last July and this is still only my 9th or 10th attempt, and first since January. I wish I could find more opportunities for an uninterrupted hour to practise!

Heh, SkyNet er.. the YouTube algorithms already found me with that one. Not far at all from reaching memo/accuracy equilibrium under an hour now, obvious immediate disappointment aside.

 

[Logiqx]

F' - sexy - R' F R

The inverse of that alg is my default.

 

[newtonbase]

@Mike Hughey @mark49152 I do audio centres too but I sometimes think that the number of reviews it takes might mean I'm better off with visual or maybe a mix. I'd do some analysis if I had time. 3BLD edges is usually 1 pass or maybe a quick recitation halfway through. Maybe I just need a bit more practice.