Older cubers discussions

[mitja]

It's a lot of images to collect so it's definitely a long-term project. I think most people do better "on the fly" than I do so I put a lot of attention into my image list from the start back in Jan; it still has plenty of holes. If you're going to spend the time to dig up images for your pairs I'd definitely take the extra time to make sure they're "good" images... something vivid enough to visualize well and properly leverage your visual image memory.



Not using speffz has the downside that it can be a little trickier sharing images and generally communicating with speffz users. I'm very slow deciphering the universal LB or UBR notation because I never practice that but a speffz letter is mostly automatic. I completely understand that speffz might not be the best choice for some languages, though.

I am still a beginner at blind, that means 2-3 minutes memo and the same for op/M2( if in the mood it can both be 1 minute shorter)So I could still switch to speffz, but I like the scheme from Andy Klise guide. And I replaced y,w with slovenian č,š. I can simply produce more words that way. Maybe I should use speffz and replace the same letters, but it would be a whole new process. Also want to start 4bld and I want to decide the letter scheme before I begin.

 

[pglewis]

I am still a beginner at blind, that means 2-3 minutes memo and the same for op/M2( if in the mood it can both be 1 minute shorter)So I could still switch to speffz, but I like the scheme from Andy Klise guide. And I replaced y,w with slovenian č,š. I can simply produce more words that way. Maybe I should use speffz and replace the same letters, but it would be a whole new process. Also want to start 4bld and I want to decide the letter scheme before I begin.

You're probably averaging quite a bit faster than I am. I have one single ~4 mins but that's faster than my usual memo alone lol. I still have practice to do to get consistently under 6-7 mins. I've been at it for a while but with breaks in practice and I have a few weaknesses that slow my progress. I'm not a natural but I can make up for some of it with stubbornness.

If I recall, @h2f also uses a variant letter scheme for a similar reason (Polish language), and he's doing just fine . There's nothing particularly magic about speffz other than standards make conversation a little smoother/clearer.

 

[newtonbase]

I prefer a straight list with all the pairs in one column. It gives the opportunity for multiple entries unlike a grid.

 

[mark49152]

I prefer a straight list with all the pairs in one column. It gives the opportunity for multiple entries unlike a grid.

Yeah that is a good point. I have multiple images for many pairs now, as that can be really helpful, but in my spreadsheet I had to put them in cell comments which hides them. In my Anki files I have them on one line like "X or Y or Z", but it fits easily.

 

[pglewis]

I just pile multiples into a cell. That's not to say there aren't other possible advantages to a linear list, though.

 

[mark49152]

@pglewis, that looks like a lot of horizontal scrolling. Also looks like a lot of alternative images - are you learning that many for every pair?

 

[openseas]

I think I need an image list. :rolleyes:

I said before I like coming up with them on the fly, but I'm realizing more that I'm basically just coming up with sentences with maybe one or two images if I'm lucky. I think for 3 BLD which is all I'm doing so far it does not matter as much, but this is also why multi seems like such a hard concept now, my memo wouldn't work very well. Any recommendations on format if I start a list? I know some have been shared (I think). Probably just a big spreadsheet I suppose.

I downloaded this from somewhere forgot who created this.

It is called PAO list (Person Action Object)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q3iErfXa4xh6ryRyJlZN2c4ixirdETeHmY5KzcTU7oo/edit?usp=sharing

 

[openseas]

My problem is, I don't use speffz just my own set of letters. I memo in two languges slovenian and english, that way i get more interesting images. I guess memo goes much faster by regullar set of images.

Haha, same here. I mix several languages whatever comes to my mind first, but like to use "prepared" images most cases. Set of list reduces memo time quite a bit, definitely.

 

[pglewis]

@pglewis, that looks like a lot of horizontal scrolling. Also looks like a lot of alternative images - are you learning that many for every pair?

It is a lot of horizontal scrolling with a mouse, I was gonna say that's probably the biggest downside. It hasn't seemed too cumbersome as a reference, gets the job done. At some point I'll export the data, squeeze it into a DB, and work out a friendlier interface. Or maybe when I dig into Anki I'll just end up using that.

Only time will tell whether I'm learning that many per pair. My attitude is the primary cost is looking up images so if I'm already in the process of digging into a pair then I put down everything potentially useful I find, not just one or two. I don't always guess which are going to be better until I try them out and I do like having a variety if I'm practicing a lot or looking forward to mbld. And who knows, maybe in 5 years I do have that many to draw from at will even though two or three per pair is probably plenty sufficient.

 

[Jason Green]

I downloaded this from somewhere forgot who created this.

It is called PAO list (Person Action Object)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q3iErfXa4xh6ryRyJlZN2c4ixirdETeHmY5KzcTU7oo/edit?usp=sharing

That's awesome thanks!

I guess this is the Anki? I was not aware of it. https://apps.ankiweb.net

 

[One Wheel]

Thanks for the help guys! I still haven't figured it all out yet, but I'll get there. I still need to memorize the long algs for M2 (I can do mirrors, but not inverses for algs that long, and it seems I'm objectively bad at memorizing algs. Or maybe I'm just objectively bad at trying to memorize algs

I also run a non-standard lettering scheme. I think I tried Speffz, but I don't know if I misunderstood it or intentionally changed it. ABCD CW from UBL, EFGH CW from FUR, IJKL CW from RUF, MNOP CW from LUB, QRST CCW from BUL (CW viewed "through" the cube), UVWX CCW from DBL (CW viewed "through" the cube).

My current cubing goals are:
1. M2
2. 4BLD
3. 5BLD
4. Full OLL

 

[openseas]

Thanks for the help guys! I still haven't figured it all out yet, but I'll get there. I still need to memorize the long algs for M2 (I can do mirrors, but not inverses for algs that long, and it seems I'm objectively bad at memorizing algs. Or maybe I'm just objectively bad at trying to memorize algs

I also run a non-standard lettering scheme. I think I tried Speffz, but I don't know if I misunderstood it or intentionally changed it. ABCD CW from UBL, EFGH CW from FUR, IJKL CW from RUF, MNOP CW from LUB, QRST CCW from BUL (CW viewed "through" the cube), UVWX CCW from DBL (CW viewed "through" the cube).

My current cubing goals are:
1. M2
2. 4BLD
3. 5BLD
4. Full OLL

You goals are exactly aligned with mine, even sequence

Now, I need 3 & 4 (#2 needs official success, too)

 

[One Wheel]

I was going to post a scramble and memo for M2 to see if I had got it, and the first one I tried has everything but a cycle break in the first few targets. Assuming a DF buffer, how would you memo edges for this scramble?
F2 R2 B2 D2 L2 U' R2 F2 D B2 U' F U2 R D U F2 R B' U
When I convert it to Speffz I get SD C as my first 3 letters, then I'm lost. R PL BN QX V maybe? TD CP FN IR QX W in my lettering scheme.

 

[h2f]

If I recall, @h2f also uses a variant letter scheme for a similar reason (Polish language), and he's doing just fine . There's nothing particularly magic about speffz other than standards make conversation a little smoother/clearer.

Yes, my letter scheme is different to speffz - I didnt know Speffz when I created it but in Polish there's no good words with x, q, y etc. Speffz is just Speffz - it doesnt affect your speed or progress. And in communication things I prefer when someone uses targets like UB - UR and to Speffz (BC?).

 

[newtonbase]

I downloaded this from somewhere forgot who created this.

It is called PAO list (Person Action Object)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q3iErfXa4xh6ryRyJlZN2c4ixirdETeHmY5KzcTU7oo/edit?usp=sharing

I have contributed to that one. The owner mentioned it on Facebook recently but I can't remember who. I'll try and find the original link when I get my phone back from my 3yo.

I was going to post a scramble and memo for M2 to see if I had got it, and the first one I tried has everything but a cycle break in the first few targets. Assuming a DF buffer, how would you memo edges for this scramble?
F2 R2 B2 D2 L2 U' R2 F2 D B2 U' F U2 R D U F2 R B' U
When I convert it to Speffz I get SD C as my first 3 letters, then I'm lost. R PL BN QX V maybe? TD CP FN IR QX W in my lettering scheme.

I get SH JF MT QG OD CE (cycle break after the O). I think we are using different scrambles.

 

[openseas]

I get SH JF MT QG OD CE (cycle break after the O). I think we are using different scrambles.

TH JF MU RG O/D CE

I'm not using Speffz either so may not be help. (/ means cycle break)

 

[AlphaSheep]

I'm just using a Google spreadsheet with A-X as both columns and rows. My three primary resources:

http://peoplebyinitials.com/
http://www.abbreviations.com/
and good 'ol Wikipedia: https://www.wikipedia.org/

This is also a useful resource for some of the hard cases:
http://bestsiteever.ru/letterpairs/

 

[h2f]

This is also a useful resource for some of the hard cases:
http://bestsiteever.ru/letterpairs/

And for other stuff like algs. Tons of algs. Just go to http://bestsiteever.ru

 

[newtonbase]

TH JF MU RG O/D CE

I'm not using Speffz either so may not be help. (/ means cycle break)

Only the B face letters are different there so pretty close. I wonder what proportion use Speffz. It's certainly not high enough to assume someone uses it.

 

[newtonbase]

And for other stuff like algs. Tons of algs. Just go to http://bestsiteever.ru

That site is well named.

Peoplebyinitials.com would be even more useful if it included fictional characters. I wonder if someone here might have the skills and time to do something like that?