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[mark49152]

3x3, the main Event, Mark and I were in the same group and both had a crappy round, I was lucky enough to end it with two high 16 that at least allowed me to have a sub 20 average, I would have preferred sub 19 but couldn't do it.

Yeah it was frustratingly crappy! I haven't really improved my official 3x3 results at all in 2 years of competing, and my recent averages just seem to be getting worse. Oh well. Great summary Raul, I enjoyed reading that and am looking forward to day 4.

Anyway here is the final instalment of my BLD adventures at Worlds.

 

[I_<3_SCS]

This is a great thread! You guys sure like each other a lot

 

[Jason Green]

Cool. No idea what time he was born but I'll find out.

My birthday is 6th June.

My brother is June 4th.

 

[Jason Green]

Guys I'm starting blind! First question, I'm sure it's been answered 100 times but I'm asking. For Speefz lettering, is it most topical to do yellow on top? Does it matter? Or should you do it Green front white top? Jperm did the latter on his videos. I'm ready with my sharpie!

 

[One Wheel]

Guys I'm starting blind! First question, I'm sure it's been answered 100 times but I'm asking. For Speefz lettering, is it most topical to do yellow on top? Does it matter? Or should you do it Green front white top? Jperm did the latter on his videos. I'm ready with my sharpie!

I'm hardly an expert, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter. I do green front, white top. There might even be a thread about this, on second thought . . . Yep! https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/what-orientation-do-you-use-for-blindsolving.65023/

 

[Jason Green]

I'm hardly an expert, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter. I do green front, white top. There might even be a thread about this, on second thought . . . Yep! https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/threads/what-orientation-do-you-use-for-blindsolving.65023/

Thank you that's perfect! I'm going to do yellow on top red front, because that's how I learned CFOP and it's still the easiest for me to think of where the pieces go. It wasn't until my first comp I learned the WCA scramble position. I always thought badmephistos cheat sheets were the gospel until then. Hahaha

 

[h2f]

Guys I'm starting blind! First question, I'm sure it's been answered 100 times but I'm asking. For Speefz lettering, is it most topical to do yellow on top? Does it matter? Or should you do it Green front white top? Jperm did the latter on his videos. I'm ready with my sharpie!

Orientation doesnt matter. Order of letters matters.

 

[mark49152]

@Jason Green, welcome to the dark side

 

[moralsh]

I forgot to add this video to the Day 3 recap:

 

[Shaky Hands]

@moralsh - I didn't realise that BLD solve was going to be a BLD solve, so when I was watching this, I thought "wow, your judge must have forgotten to use the stopwatch properly for inspection!"

 

[muchacho]

Same, probably was over 20 seconds until I thought it might be BLD haha

 

[moralsh]

@moralsh - I didn't realise that BLD solve was going to be a BLD solve, so when I was watching this, I thought "wow, your judge must have forgotten to use the stopwatch properly for inspection!"

Same, probably was over 20 seconds until I thought it might be BLD haha

you must have been nervous trying to tell me "come on, that white cross is soooo easy!"

 

[pglewis]

Guys I'm starting blind!

Yaaaas!

 

[Jason Green]

I have to say starting BLD has got me more excited about cubing than I have been for a while. I've been watching quite a few tutorials, Noah's, JPerm, etc. I have the basics down, but I think I'm struggling a bit with how the cycles work especially for edges. Tell me what I have wrong in my understanding please!

- When the piece that shows up in the buffer location is the piece that goes there, you have to start a new cycle (regardless of if the piece is oriented correctly).
- To start a new cycle you pick any PIECE that you have not solved. For corners I saw the suggestion of keeping your fingers on the ones you have solved. Are there tricks for edges? In trying to just write down a solution I found this difficult even. For example if I had solved the F edge, I could not pick L for my new cycle because that is the same piece, correct?
- Once the cycle comes back to the same letter it's done, got that part. Edit#2 - it's actually the same piece not the same letter right?
- What is the maximum number of cycles you would need worst case?

So in writing it down maybe I'm not as confused as I felt, just not good at it yet.

Below is the scramble and my solution I worked on off and on all day (when I could at work too). I KEPT messing stuff up, but I finally got it and went through it twice and it worked. I'll try again after I post this and probably come back to say it doesn't work. I scrambled in WCA green front white top, but then I solved red front yellow top. Is it best to just scramble in the orientation I solve in to make it easier to ask for help? I guess you can just do an X2, Y before scrambling if you normally scramble in your own orientation to make it easier to test my solution.

I look forward to hearing everything I'm doing wrong. Please dumb it down as much as possible, I get a bad case of lazy brain sometimes.

Scramble:
D F2 D L2 U' L2 U' L2 F2 D B2 L' D2 B2 D2 R2 F' D B2 L2 R'

Edges:
FDUPWANHEXCOX

Parity

Corners:
LJBPXFR

Edit: BTW I'm not even working on memo yet until I get the basics, but this would be super easy for me...
FeD UP with the WAN HEX at COX (cox is a hospital back home)

LJ (friend from college) Blood Pressure XFR (transfer... don't know what it means to do a blood pressure transfer but it seems easy to remember)

 

[moralsh]

Scrambling in your orientation is good if you want to share the scramble with someone, if all of us scramble the same scramble each in our orientation it will be easier for us to follow, to me is a lot slower to track the edges with your orientation even though I also use Spefzz.

There's nothing wrong with your edges memo, however you should learn to group by pairs, it will be easier for you to detect parity and having words/images for 2 or 3 targets can get really confusing.

Your corners memo should be GM NK (new cycle FS I)

And maybe you should ditch de T-Perms and go straight to M2, if not now, do it as soon as you start to get the hang of solving, it's much more efficient and not that hard.

 

[mark49152]

Awesome that you're getting into BLD, @Jason Green!

I make that corner memo GM NK FS D.

Practising sighted is definitely the right way to go. Don't hinder yourself with a blindfold until you fully understand how your solving method works and can do it sighted easily. Then you could try solving out of sight (like under the table) while reading off the written-down memo, to make sure you've remembered how to do setups and parity without looking, etc. Relying on memory is the final step.

I also agree it's best to go for M2 right away. It's not hard but uses way less moves than OP edges. Learning OP edges is a waste of time.

You are correct about breaking into new cycles. Pick an unsolved piece then you can choose either sticker, usually the easiest one. Then when you hit that piece again, you're done, even if it's a different sticker.

For edges there just aren't enough fingers . It's still helpful to keep fingers on the first few pieces you trace though, IMHO. It makes it easier to trace the remaining few without fingers.

 

[JanW]

Plan for 2017: Learn full OLL, sub-20 Ao1000, get back into 3bld and mbld, maybe learn 4bld. We'll see about other events if I get inspired to practice them more.

This was my plan end of last year. Full OLL and Sub-20 Ao1000 are done. Next on the list is 3bld, which seems appropriate as everyone else here seems to be working on it as well.

I've dabbled a bit with some blind solves this past week. Accuracy is very low, but there are occasional successes now and then. Most solves end up DNFs by one or two cycles. Execution time tends to be around 1:30, memo anything from 1 to 4 minutes, depending on how many mistakes I make. While I don't need to spend much time figuring out comms for any case, it's apparent that I need to be much more accurate with the execution. Maybe I should finally start using my own BldTrainer, I've heard it's helpful.

 

[Selkie]

@Logiqx - Might as well jump on the exact DOB band wagon - 21st November 1969

@Jason Green - You are even making me motivated to re-start blind and I am a stubborn old man when it comes to blind!

A nice 5x5 PB Ao12 just now:-

Average of 12: 1:53.77

Spoiler

1. 1:59.68 l' d D u2 B r' u' B' u B2 D2 R' L F' b' u r l' F R' B2 L' d2 L2 R' r U B' f b' u2 l' U D u B' b l' U D' B2 U' f r2 f' u2 r2 D2 d' U B' R' b u F' l f2 B2 u' B2
2. 1:56.55 f' D l2 B' f2 d' f L l2 U' l' U2 r' b2 r l' R' f2 L D' d' L2 f2 L2 d f2 F' R2 U' F2 B' U' r2 l2 B2 f2 U b2 R' l d2 D u U r2 f d2 R2 r2 D' U F' f' R f2 l2 B' d U' b2
3. 1:57.96 F' d2 R d' u' D2 l U' r' d2 B2 f2 l r b' F2 R' l' b' d' F' b' u U2 d' F L u L u2 l2 f2 d r f2 r2 U r' B2 D2 B2 D B l D L' U2 L2 D F' u' d F' L2 r l2 U f2 l' f
4. 1:47.37 B D b' d' L f' R2 b' F2 r' R' u2 d f d2 F' B f' u' b2 d' f l L2 D2 d2 u2 f2 D' f L' u b' u' l2 u' B F2 r' D B2 f2 r' f' u' F b u' D2 F' U2 l' d' u' L' U r2 d' r L2
5. 1:48.46 L l2 b l F2 B2 D' l2 u2 F2 U2 f R2 r' B R f u2 l F2 R2 r' l L u' r' b2 r' B2 U' l' F2 D' U R2 r b F2 l' L R u' L2 f r B' l' u' d D F' b2 f2 r' B' b f' U' u' b2
6. (2:00.84) F2 R' U' f U' d2 B2 l' F' r' F' D' B' d2 r2 d2 F' B' r L' f r' l' f' b U R F' b' u' R' u d' U R b' r2 b' L d R2 d' D' F2 B l' F2 R' r' F' B' r l2 U r2 f' b L2 f B
7. 1:54.55 u2 D l L u U' l F B u' U2 L' d2 R2 b' d f2 L2 b2 D2 L' U' d2 r' d2 f L u' d L f R2 r' U B f' R' r2 b2 U2 F D' f2 d2 b' u2 B2 l' U' D' L2 l2 D l2 U' D2 L2 R2 D2 d'
8. 1:56.74 u' r' B b' D B2 r2 B' U2 l' u2 L2 r F l2 L2 r d' b R' d2 U L2 B2 u' b f' L' U2 b2 l' f2 D2 B U2 f l f' F' b2 r' B' r B' D' L U B u' L2 f2 u l F f' u F2 U2 D' B2
9. 1:47.19 F R' b B l d' L' R2 B' r B2 r D U' f' L' l2 f2 L' R' U b D u b2 B' U R L' d U2 r2 u d2 F' B2 U2 d B u2 F R f U2 b' U D2 B f b2 L u' D2 R' b L' B U d' r
10. 1:55.23 F2 U d2 D2 R2 U2 u2 R2 r2 F' b R2 U' d f' B2 l' R' B L l F2 r U R' b' d' b2 L' F' f' b R l' f' R' D r' u' D' l r' U u2 b d' R' D R f2 r' L F2 u' b' R2 u2 L2 r B
11. (1:46.79) B l' F U2 B2 u R F2 l2 f r2 D f U' r u2 b2 l' B' R2 d L D' B2 U' r u' b2 u R' u r2 B' l2 r f' L D2 F B d' F L' r2 U b' r2 D F' l r2 D2 R f2 u l U d B2 u'
12. 1:53.99 r' D2 l2 r' f' L' u2 b l2 u' B2 d' L' b2 R r' F2 L b u2 B2 D L' F l L' U2 r' F u' U' R b2 r b f F' B2 r2 L U' b' D2 f' F2 U' R2 D2 b L b2 B U r u2 R f2 r' U' B

 

[newtonbase]

Glad you are excited about 3BLD @Jason Green
One thing to clarify with cycles which confuses people. If you get to a sticker on the buffer piece then don't solve it. If you get to a sticker on the piece that you started the cycle with then you do solve it.
Just got a 1:23.28 3BLD which I think is a PB. Will search this thread when I have more time. Must keep better records!

 

[Jason Green]

Thanks for the help @moralsh and @mark49152! Interesting because you seem to use buffer as the U sticker on ULB, but I was using the L sticker on that piece. I noticed in some videos people doing that differently. I will probably start M2 soon. It seems like an easy transition, just some additional trucks for setups and such?