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Another thing to note is that the UK is fairly small and with a few exceptions it's pretty much the same core group of cubers that travel to all the comps. That would make it seem more of an inconsistency for cutoffs to vary. It's not like there's a northern group and a southern group doing their own things, and it might even seem unfair for a comp in Manchester to set an easier cutoff than the previous comp in London, etc.
 
Having standard cutoffs in a relatively small geographic area makes sense.

These are standard in the UK and have been for years. Euros has tough cuts - 1:00 for 4x4 and 2:00 for 5x5. I guess with the large number of entrants they need to whittle it down early.

I can understand the logic of having cutoffs, and I don't mean any offense to anybody but those are RIDICULOUS! The first official sub-1:00 4x4 single wasn't until 2005, average in 2006, and the same years for sub-2:00 5x5. That means that just in order to finish an official Ao5 in Europe in those events now and person would have been the best in the world 10 years ago, or am I misunderstanding that? I realize that hardware can make a big difference, but this is solving a puzzle, not a drag race or a moon landing. It seems like it should be possible to offer local competitions with easier time limits, and if you do well in those you can qualify to go to larger regional and national competitions, which would offer a broader array of events, a busier schedule, and therefore stricter time limits. Ah, well, I guess I'm not going to change it, but it is pretty silly if you ask me.
 
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I can understand the logic of having cutoffs, and I don't mean any offense to anybody but those are RIDICULOUS!
Not really. If you look at the psych sheets, of the 316 people registered for 4x4 who already have an official average, 222 were under 1 minute. So roughly 70% are capable of making the cut. That's not unreasonable. The numbers for 5x5 are 212 and 176.

I would rather have Euros open to all but with challenging cuts, than be ineligible to go at all on the basis of qualifiers or current records. I'm not going this time but I'd like to be able to in future.
 
So the 1 minute cutoff is for the European Championship, not all competitions in Europe? That makes a lot more sense. That's pretty much what I was suggesting, except for the idea of having to qualify to register.
 
Made some notes on cutoffs between Euros and UK/Ireland. Hope this helps. Always subject to change.

2z2
- soft (Euro Championships) - none
- hard (Euro Championships) - 1:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 0:45 (?)
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 2:30
3x3
- soft (Euro Championships) - none
- hard (Euro Championships) - 5:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 5:00
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 10:00
4x4
- soft (Euro Championships) - 1:00
- hard (Euro Championships) - 3:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 1:30
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 5:00
5x5
- soft (Euro Championships) - 2:00
- hard (Euro Championships) - 4:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 2:30
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 5:00
6x6
- soft (Euro Championships) - 3:45
- hard (Euro Championships) - 7:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 5:00
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 10:00
7x7
- soft (Euro Championships) - 5:30
- hard (Euro Championships) - 10:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 7:00
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 10:00
3x3 OH
- soft (Euro Championships) - 0:45
- hard (Euro Championships) - 2:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 1:00 (somtimes 1:30)
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 4:00
3x3 BLD
- (Euro Championships) - 10:00 for 3 attempts
- (UK/Ireland) - 10:00 for 3 attempts (sometimes 12:00 for 3 attempts)
3x3 Feet
- soft (Euro Championships) - 2:00
- hard (Euro Championships) - 3:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - can't remember
- hard (UK/Ireland) - can't remember
3x3 FMC
- (Euro Championships) - 80 moves, max 1:00:00
- (UK/Ireland) - 80 moves, max 1:00:00
Megaminx
- soft (Euro Championships) - 1:40
- hard (Euro Championships) - 3:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 3:00
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 7:00
Pyraminx
- soft (Euro Championships) - none
- hard (Euro Championships) - 1:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 0:45
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 2:30
SQ-1
- soft (Euro Championships) - 0:45
- hard (Euro Championships) - 1:30
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 1:30
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 3:00
Clock
- soft (Euro Championships) - 0:15
- hard (Euro Championships) - 1:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 1:00 (sometimes 0:30)
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 2:00
Skewb
- soft (Euro Championships) - none
- hard (Euro Championships) - 1:00
- soft (UK/Ireland) - 1:00
- hard (UK/Ireland) - 2:30
4x4 BLD
- (Euro Championships) - 30:00 for 3 attempts
- (UK/Ireland) - can't remember
5x5 BLD
- (Euro Championships) - 1:00:00 for 3 attempts
- (UK/Ireland) - can't remember
3x3 MBLD
- (Euro Championships) - 10:00 per cube for 2-6 cubes, otherwise 1:00:00
- (UK/Ireland) - 10:00 per cube for 2-6 cubes, otherwise 1:00:00
 
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So the 1 minute cutoff is for the European Championship, not all competitions in Europe? That makes a lot more sense. That's pretty much what I was suggesting, except for the idea of having to qualify to register.
Yes, I was talking about the European Championships, and most of the competitors there would presumably be more experienced and committed (and thus faster) than average anyway. Some countries in Europe do generally have tougher cutoffs than the UK though - for example, I think Poland has harsh cutoffs.
 
I retract my comment. Having a very harsh cutoff for a national championship (or in this case a continental one) is perfectly reasonable. I'd still like to figure out how to relax cutoffs for local competitions, but it seems most of them aren't THAT bad.
 
Some countries in Europe do generally have tougher cutoffs than the UK though - for example, I think Poland has harsh cutoffs.

It's up of competition but generally you're right. For example in 3 weeks competition in Warsaw soft cutoff in 4x4 is 1 minute. The reason is it's one day comp for 50 people with 5 events with 2 rounds each - BTW I was registered for it due there's gonna to be Zemdegs there, but I wasnt accepted because I was late few houres. There have been 70 registrations and 20 were rejected (among them Pleskowicz).

On the other hand in two weeks there's competition with no soft cutoffs! It's two day competition with 9 events for 60 people in a big venue. BTW I've registered - finally I have chance to make averages in 4x4 ad 5x5.;)

In next week comp - a kind of league - there are nice cutoffs: 10 sec in 2x2, 12 in skewb, 10 in pyra, 35 in OH and 14 in 3bld (but I've noticed it wasnt strict - everyone did his/her 3 attepmts).
 
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It's up of competition but generally you're right. For example in 3 weeks competition in Warsaw soft cutoff in 4x4 is 1 minute. The reason is it's one day comp for 50 people with 5 events with 2 rounds each - BTW I was registered for it due there's gonna to be Zemdegs there, but I wasnt accepted because I was late few houres. There have been 70 registrations and 20 were rejected (among them Pleskowicz).

On the other hand in two weeks there's competition with no soft cutoffs! It's two day competition with 9 events for 60 people in a big venue. BTW I've registered - finally I have chance to make averages in 4x4 ad 5x5.;)

In next week comp - a kind of league - there are nice cutoffs: 10 sec in 2x2, 12 in skewb, 10 in pyra, 35 in OH and 14 in 3bld (but I've noticed it wasnt strict - everyone did his/her 3 attepmts).
That's nice and generous for blind. It's usually 10 mins here which I find is a bit of a push.
 
Haha, within 1 second of PB with a messed up EOLine...

U2 F' D2 B2 U' L' D R B2 D' L' B2 R D' F' U' B L B R U' L U2 R' F'

F' B D B' D2 L2 D // messed up EOLine (last move should have been D')
L' U L U' L2 // 2x3 block
U' R2 U (R U R' U') (R U R' U') (R U R' U') // F2L 3
R' U2 R U R' U' R // F2L 4
M2 U2 M2 // fix bottom cross
R U R' U R U2 R' U' R U2 R' U' R U' R' // 2gll (sune - U' - Anti-sune)
U2 // AUF

5 move 2x3 blocks like that are quite rare. Shame to waste it on a solve where I already made a mistake. :(
 
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@JanW, I know you will have another chance...

I was thinking about Hoya on 4x4. I realized that my weaknes in Yau is making first 3 dedges of cross. Next parts of the solve are ok. The second thought was that with Hoya I can still use half centers method and making dedges is much easier. Another con is that one can start from every color not only from white or yellow. So I've started practice Hoya on 4x4. Best time is 1:20.xx which is quite good and around my averages with Yau. It's promising start but I think I will have to do tons of solves to get used Hoya on 4x4. Or maybe not as far as I practice Hoya on 5x5 and 6x6.
 
without timing splits it really feels like reduction stage (using Yau) is much faster on the G4, while 3x3 stage is much slower.

So my off the cuff observation doesn't stand up. I did 12 solves with each cube, switching back and forth at random, and these are the results:
Cyclone Boys G4
Reduction Ao12: 1:23.99
3x3 stage (including parity and fixing misplaced centers) Ao12: 45.69
Whole solve Ao12: 2:10.24

Moyu Aosu
Reduction Ao12: 1:24.64
3x3 stage (including parity and fixing misplaced centers) Ao12: 49.62
Whole solve Ao12: 2:15.00

My sample size is small, but it does seem that times are more consistent, as well as faster, with the G4. Standard Deviation for total solve time was 16.99 seconds for the Aosu vs. 12.59 seconds for the G4. 62.94% of solve time was reduction with the Aosu, vs. 64.18% with the G4. I think there's a lot of room for improvement when I resticker the G4 with brighter shades, because right now my recognition is noticeably worse than with the Aosu.
 
@JanW, yeah, you will have another chance when you are least expecting it. Yesterday it happened to me as well :( I was doing some 3x3 and was not fully focused, all of a sudden during a good solve I got a PLL skip. Got a 12.98, 1.1 seconds slower than my PB. If I had been focused I could have beaten it. Maybe next time...

@h2f, I tried Hoya the other day and I didn't find myself confortable with it. Maybe I didn't try hard enough but, for now, I'm staying with Yau. I have finally got used to 1st 3 edges on M slice and I think now I'm a tiny bit faster at it than with E slice pairing.

Also, my 1st Goal for end of September already achieved. First sub-3 5x5 solve :) PLL skip, though. Going to achieve the 2nd by ordering a Yuxin 6x6 after watching Feliks video and comments about it (he cannot tell which one is best Yuxin or Moyu Aoshi so, good enough for me ;)) Also wanting the XMD Galaxy Megaminx like... already!!!

@One Wheel The G4 is very nice. I think that's a good decision. I'm fine with the stickerless shades but if you need to change sticker shades please do it. It will help you get a bit faster.
 
Just smashed my 6x6 PB with my new stickerless Yuxin. 5:07.80. Previous PB was 5:49.76, and even that was a lucky solve because the next closest time was over 6:00

I love this 6x6 :) Though it's worth noting that it's forced me to focus more on accurate turning. It is relatively forgiving, but if you're sloppy you can get some nasty lockups. Reminiscent of MoYu AoChuang lockups, if anyone remembers those :/ I am encountering this less and less as I get used to the puzzle.

If you don't have a decent 6x6, this is a no brainer. Get the Yuxin :) I like it so much more than the AoShi. It's only a couple mm smaller, but it FEELS much smaller in the hands than an AoShi, I also really prefer the sharper edges of the Yuxin to the rounded, bubly feeling of the MoYu. And Yuxin nailed the colour scheme on the stickerless version. It rivals any of my stickerless Cyclone Boys puzzles, and that's saying something.

I tried Hoya the other day and I didn't find myself confortable with it. Maybe I didn't try hard enough but, for now, I'm staying with Yau.
Ditto. I tried and it just wasn't working for me, I'll stick with Yau. Though, I kind of like Hoya 5x5 and may put more effort into that in the future.

@One Wheel I'm enjoying the G4 more and more. While I still think my AoSu is a little better, I think that might just be because it was my first good 4x4 and has had lots of breaking in. Regardless, the stickerless shades on the G4 keep me coming back for more, it's so nice :). I still need to lube and break in my new Yuxin 4x4, but after a dozen or so solves I'm thinking it could have real potential. That'll put me at somewhat of a stalemate... like 3x3 where I can't pick a favourite :/
 
It's promising start but I think I will have to do tons of solves to get used Hoya on 4x4.
Nice start, but you're right, like any new method it takes some time to get comfortable with it. Trying it for a couple of hours and giving up isn't a good evaluation.

I have been meaning to make a tips video for Hoya but have been too busy. Maybe next week.

I wish I had more time for cubing :).
 
[USER=35029]@One Wheel The G4 is very nice. I think that's a good decision. I'm fine with the stickerless shades but if you need to change sticker shades please do it. It will help you get a bit faster.[/USER]
I like my stickerless Aosu, but in general I think I prefer the look of the black stickered puzzles, and I like having the extra grip of the edge of the sticker. I have already ordered new stickers, which TheCubicle got out the door in about 5 1/2 hours without rush shipping.:)
 
Nice start, but you're right, like any new method it takes some time to get comfortable with it. Trying it for a couple of hours and giving up isn't a good evaluation.

I have been meaning to make a tips video for Hoya but have been too busy. Maybe next week.

I wish I had more time for cubing :).

Ok. I give 4x4 Hoya a serious try. If it'll not give a good progress - for example 1:30 ao5 in a week, I'm back to Yau.
 
@JanW, I know you will have another chance...

I was thinking about Hoya on 4x4. I realized that my weaknes in Yau is making first 3 dedges of cross. Next parts of the solve are ok. The second thought was that with Hoya I can still use half centers method and making dedges is much easier. Another con is that one can start from every color not only from white or yellow. So I've started practice Hoya on 4x4. Best time is 1:20.xx which is quite good and around my averages with Yau. It's promising start but I think I will have to do tons of solves to get used Hoya on 4x4. Or maybe not as far as I practice Hoya on 5x5 and 6x6.

I switched ot HoYa. It is a few more moves it feels like but my look ahead is so much better when pairing the cross edges. I did Yau until my first comp when I didn't make the cut off and someone else there who was much faster than me suggested I try it.
 
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