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MarcelP said:
The program is a jar -file. If you rename the file to zip you can open it with Winzip. Then place all files of the zip in a folder. Then organise the pictures by renaming them to the correct name. The zip the files again and rename to jar. :) Btw I did an Ao100 40.98 Roux today. I suspect soon to be at your 33 now that I am using no CFOP elements anymore. I have to get used to the M slice pairing. That takes most of my time now.
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I found what I did - I don't know when but I just deleted one of CMLL (B6) in CMLL file algs. I put it back and now all is just correct and program works fine. :)
 
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Well, in order to get some more people interested in Roux, I shaved of 3 seconds of my Ao50. Nice to get progress again ;)

erated By csTimer on 2014-12-3
solves/total: 50/50

single
best: 26.94
worst: 49.12

mean of 3
current: 35.57 (σ = 8.87)
best: 34.43 (σ = 5.84)

avg of 5
current: 40.87 (σ = 6.08)
best: 34.15 (σ = 3.44)

avg of 12
current: 40.89 (σ = 4.67)
best: 36.83 (σ = 5.06)

avg of 50
current: 38.79 (σ = 4.37)
best: 38.79 (σ = 4.37)

Average: 38.79 (σ = 4.37)
Mean: 38.73

Also, there where a few sub 30 solves in there.. So I think sub 30 might be doable in short term.

Best solve of today:
B D R' U B U' F R F2 R L2 U F2 U2 L2 B2 U' B2 U R2 L2

x2 y //inspection
R F M' U2 L U' L' R2 U' M2 U2 F' // FB (12)
U R U' R' U R U R' M2 U' Rw U R2 U' Rw' M U' M' U2 R' U R // SB (22)
M' // Align center (1)
U' F R U R' U' F' U' // Place corners (8)
R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' //Orient corners (12)
M U' M' // Fix bad egdes (3)
M' U2 M U2 M2 U' M2 U M2 // LSE (9) = 62
[video=youtube_share;VuM_0a15auI]http://youtu.be/VuM_0a15auI[/video]
 
Well, here is a normal Roux solve. I don't like talking so I didn't do a walkthrough, plus I'm kind of out of batteries for my camera. And I am not good enough to do a "Sneakly-way" solve. It wasn't too bad except I couldn't find a good angle so I ended up with the camera between me and the cube.

[video=youtube_share;58IfNtrosfA]http://youtu.be/58IfNtrosfA[/video]
 
MarcelP said:
Well, in order to get some more people interested in Roux, I shaved of 3 seconds of my Ao50. Nice to get progress again ;)
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Nice. I've made some solves today and I've made first AO5 sub-30. I think we're not so far with times. I've checked my times in cstimer and I was wrong - my best AO100 is sub-35 not sub-33 as I mentioned earlier. But I think sub-30 is really close.
 
sneaklyfox said:
Well, here is a normal Roux solve. I don't like talking so I didn't do a walkthrough, plus I'm kind of out of batteries for my camera. And I am not good enough to do a "Sneakly-way" solve. It wasn't too bad except I couldn't find a good angle so I ended up with the camera between me and the cube.

http://youtu.be/58IfNtrosfA
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Really nice! I wish I could see from a bit higher angle. Your two blocks was 17 secs. So CMLL (2 step?) plus fixing bad egdes and last 6 edges (LSE) was only 7 secs. That is freaking awesome. I need way more practice to do these last steps that fast. I think my blocks are about the same as yours..
h2f said:
Nice. I've made some solves today and I've made first AO5 sub-30. I think we're not so far with times. I've checked my times in cstimer and I was wrong - my best AO100 is sub-35 not sub-33 as I mentioned earlier. But I think sub-30 is really close.
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Ha! Nice to see I am getting closer allready.. :)
 
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MarcelP said:
Well, in order to get some more people interested in Roux, I shaved of 3 seconds of my Ao50. Nice to get progress again ;)
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I'm not exactly racing but I'm about 10-12 seconds behind your averages. I spent last week doing regular Roux solves and my good solves were getting noticeably better (typically low 40's, occasional mid 30's) but I still have occasional terrible solves which take over a minute.

I've gone back to CFOP and other events this week to get my times back. My CFOP times worsened by around 2s after a week of big cubes then a week of Roux but after 3 days practice they're back on track.

I might go back to the big cubes again over the next few days. They still need a lot of improvement...
 
MarcelP said:
Really nice! I wish I could see from a bit higher angle. Your two blocks was 17 secs. So CMLL (2 step?) plus fixing bad egdes and last 6 edges (LSE) was only 7 secs. That is freaking awesome. I need way more practice to do these last steps that fast. I think my blocks are about the same as yours..

Ha! Nice to see I am getting closer allready.. :)
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Oh, yeah. But I must share my solves between Roux and 4bld. ;) I was just watching yt movie with G. Jałocha, and I really want to finally solve 4bld. I've faild 17 attempts so far. Some was really close.
 
Good to see that you guys are having fun with Roux. Personally, my time for cubing each day is limited, so instead I decided to focus all my efforts on getting better at CFOP. I'm so glad I did. Recently I've managed to improve and now I'm averaging 16 seconds! Getting faster is awesome and is a real thrill. I'm going to continue with CFOP and push myself even more :)
 
MarcelP said:
Really nice! I wish I could see from a bit higher angle. Your two blocks was 17 secs. So CMLL (2 step?) plus fixing bad egdes and last 6 edges (LSE) was only 7 secs. That is freaking awesome. I need way more practice to do these last steps that fast. I think my blocks are about the same as yours..
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Yeah, I know a higher angle would have been better. I lost a part of the camera base for attaching to my tripod. I sit next to a wall on my right so I can't easily put the tripod there either.

I think my F2B was actually worse than normal in this solve (partly because of camera obstruction) but I was lucky during LSE. I call this solve "normal" because I wasn't really trying to do slow turning or anything. Just kind of relaxed rouxing while trying to look ahead as little as I do. And also "normal" because a 24.xx solve is fairly normal for me.

Edit: Today is a good cubing day. Finally broke my PB Ao12 by about half a second (now 12.74) and got a good Roux Ao12 (22.73) with three sub-20s.
 
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Logiqx said:
I'm not exactly racing but I'm about 10-12 seconds behind your averages. I spent last week doing regular Roux solves and my good solves were getting noticeably better (typically low 40's, occasional mid 30's) but I still have occasional terrible solves which take over a minute.

I've gone back to CFOP and other events this week to get my times back. My CFOP times worsened by around 2s after a week of big cubes then a week of Roux but after 3 days practice they're back on track.

I might go back to the big cubes again over the next few days. They still need a lot of improvement...
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I do not practice FCOP anymore. I doubt my CFOP times are allready affected in a worse way. But if they do, I do not mind. I am having too much fun to stop Roux :)

h2f said:
Oh, yeah. But I must share my solves between Roux and 4bld. ;) I was just watching yt movie with G. Jałocha, and I really want to finally solve 4bld. I've faild 17 attempts so far. Some was really close.
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If only I could succeed on a 3BLD . LOL

Artic said:
Good to see that you guys are having fun with Roux. Personally, my time for cubing each day is limited, so instead I decided to focus all my efforts on getting better at CFOP. I'm so glad I did. Recently I've managed to improve and now I'm averaging 16 seconds! Getting faster is awesome and is a real thrill. I'm going to continue with CFOP and push myself even more :)
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Keep it up! 16 is awesome.. Now go for the sub 15 average :)

sneaklyfox said:
Edit: Today is a good cubing day. Finally broke my PB Ao12 by about half a second (now 12.74) and got a good Roux Ao12 (22.73) with three sub-20s.
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Roux is affecting you CFOP times in a good way huh? LOL.. I am impressed with your Roux skills. I hope to be at your level soon.
 
MarcelP said:
I do not practice FCOP anymore. I doubt my CFOP times are allready affected in a worse way. But if they do, I do not mind. I am having too much fun to stop Roux :)
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I am so tempted to try Roux and join the fun, but I feel I've invested so much in CFOP and not yet reached my potential.

Also I haven't cubed much recently because of soreness in my elbow, so I've been playing around with cubing software instead. I'm interested in exploring whether systematic multislotting could make F2L more efficient, so am writing software to experiment with that. It's a long time since I wrote software for fun - it's almost as much fun as cubing :D.
 
mark49152 said:
I am so tempted to try Roux and join the fun, but I feel I've invested so much in CFOP and not yet reached my potential.

Also I haven't cubed much recently because of soreness in my elbow, so I've been playing around with cubing software instead. I'm interested in exploring whether systematic multislotting could make F2L more efficient, so am writing software to experiment with that. It's a long time since I wrote software for fun - it's almost as much fun as cubing :D.
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Cool Mark. How ever, I think multi slotting is very very hard to master. I think it can be done in a slow fashion, but at 5 - 10 TPS no human could think that fast.

About Roux, you should see playing with Roux not as abandoning CFOP. It could very well be an extention of cube fun. It could even help your CFOP times. Some people do better after taking a break from a method (or cubing in general). I suspect doing a bit Roux for a while will be nothing but good :) I think Roux is better for the slow solver like me and you. I mean slow in TPS. If you learn full CMLL (42 algs of which you probably know allready 10) the move count is between 40 - 50 :)
 
MarcelP said:
I think multi slotting is very very hard to master. I think it can be done in a slow fashion, but at 5 - 10 TPS no human could think that fast.
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Well, you might be right, but I don't think there has been much systematic exploration of multislotting. What I am doing is just research and experimentation, and as such, it might result in a breakthrough or it might conclude that multislotting is a waste of time - but either way it's nice to have some results to share.

MarcelP said:
I think Roux is better for the slow solver like me and you. I mean slow in TPS. If you learn full CMLL (42 algs of which you probably know allready 10) the move count is between 40 - 50 :)
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That partly contradicts what you say about multislotting. That also reduces move count but arguably at the price of slower turning.

My interest in multislotting is in part motivated by experimentation with blockbuilding about a year ago. I find blockbuilding difficult because there's too much freedom. What I'd like to do with multislotting is improve efficiency of F2L towards that of block building, while retaining the structured, repetitive and stepwise characteristics of F2L.
 
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