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I tried both of those before but now I prefer (U) R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U2 R... just a variation of the latter one above because I prefer R' U R U' for sexy move as opposed the normal R U R' U'.
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I tried both of those before but now I prefer (U) R' U' R U' R' U R U' R' U2 R... just a variation of the latter one above because I prefer R' U R U' for sexy move as opposed the normal R U R' U'.
pipkiksass
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I do the inverse (?) of that - R U R' U R U' R' U R U2 R'. It's COLL for the case where top and bottom are pairs (this), and very trickable. I guess if you like inverse sexy, you'd prefer the inverse alg, but for those who do 'traditional' sexy, this alg might flow easier?
sneaklyfox
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You use COLL? I haven't learned any COLL algs yet. Yours is the inverse of kunparekh18's second alg. Haha... I'm inverse sexy as opposed to traditional sexy.
mark49152
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32.43 down from 33.61. The 55mm feels completely different to the 57mm - less clicky and very smooth. Could be KongShou's lube job.
Isn't that just the standard double sune OCLL?
pipkiksass
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No, I just know that one single COLL case! LOL
Is inverse just the alg backwards? I thought it might be R => R'; U' => U, etc. (i.e. prime becomes normal; normal becomes prime).
I'd love to learn more COLL, most of the algs are very fast, and my U and H PLLs particularly are fast, V is OK. They're probably sub 1, where most of my other PLLs range from 1-3 seconds.
Is there a Winter Variation equivalent, kind of 'full edge control' - a set of algs to orient LL edges instead of corners when inserting F2L 4? If not, I might make one! I don't mind learning algs as much as some people, but there are a number of OLLs I don't know, because I've always hoped I could find a better method that would eliminate them!
I'm off to post about this elsewhere - I just wrote a post here, but it's going madly off-topic!!!
I have a 55mm from Kong as well, and I love it. As far as I was aware the 'standard' double sune OCLL was triple sexy. Every OCLL is a COLL case, by definition. I only know one for the double-sune case (this one), so I know when it comes up I'm getting an edges only PLL. anyway, off to post about substeps...
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mark49152
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I learned a few of the shorter COLLs for Pi and H because they are easy to recognise. I agree, they are fun, and I like the chance of an EPLL skip
Yes - VHLS if you want to set up your pair first or ZBLS if you want to start from any F2L case. Obviously VHLS has many fewer algs but consensus seems to be that it's not really worthwhile. I messed about with it for a while and decided that I'd be better off avoiding complication and just focusing on regular F2L and lookahead..
"Standard" double sune in that it is just two sunes in a row, with some cancellation. Thus I finger it just like I finger my sunes.
pipkiksass
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Shame. I thought this had some promise. I guess it depends how much hassle the algs are. I often feel there's not enough to do with last F2L pair, but I guess partial edge control might be more worthwhile? The numbers look good anyway - by my reckoning 1/328 chance of a full LL skip, rather than 1/15,552!
Oh, I see. :fp
sneaklyfox
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Yes, I thought inverse is the alg backwards, but also follows like what you just said. R => R'; U' => U. So sexy R U R' U' would have U R U' R' as the inverse as opposed to R' U' R U. To take another example, here's standard T-perm:
R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F'
Inverse T-perm does the same thing. (F R U' R' U R U R2 F' R U R U' R')
But your definition of "inverse" does some other weird thing. (R' U' R U R F' R2 U R U R' U' R F)
I had a 55mm Zhanchi before the 57mm and it really is much different. I got mine from Fasttech though. It's much smoother while the bigger one is clickier.
mark49152
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Well yeah it's not all bad, I didn't mean to sound so negative! Some of them are easy. The point is that if you spend any time at all on recognition or hesitation you wipe out any advantage you get from just slamming in that last pair. Bear in mind that with VHLS you've already done most of the work to set up the pair, so is the VHLS alg any faster than just slamming it in and doing FRUR'U'F' etc., with not a blink of hesitation?
ZBLS might be more worthwhile but there's lots of it. Makes more sense for the harder F2L cases like stuck pairs that would take ~11 moves to solve anyway.
Most of these alg sets seem to offer something of interest and personally I don't see a problem with having a bit of fun with them and selectively learning a few of the easier or more beneficial algs from each set. Like OLL, you don't have to learn them all, it can still be useful to know just a few COLLs or ZBLSs and it's fun to have a bit of variation in your solves.
Here's an idea I came up with a while ago to use a small number of the easiest VHLS algs to get to a subset of OLL cases - either a bar case, or if the set is applied to different cases, to an OCLL or dot. The purpose being to reduce the number of OLLs to learn. I should have called it LazyLS
kunparekh18
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For the double sune/antisune OLL,
if you have bars on the top and bottom use F triplesexy F'
if you have bars on the right and left use any 2gen alg
if you have just 1 bar on the top/bottom, bring it to the right and do R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L
if you have just 1 bar on the left right, bring it to the bottom, (alg is long, learn only if you want), do
F R U' R' U R U2 R' U' sexy F'
Inverse of the last 2 cases are also good Pi COLLs
if you have bars on the top and bottom use F triplesexy F'
if you have bars on the right and left use any 2gen alg
if you have just 1 bar on the top/bottom, bring it to the right and do R U R' U R U L' U R' U' L
if you have just 1 bar on the left right, bring it to the bottom, (alg is long, learn only if you want), do
F R U' R' U R U2 R' U' sexy F'
Inverse of the last 2 cases are also good Pi COLLs
IanTheCuber
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Here's a really long but amazing N perm:
R U R' U R U R' F' (R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R') U2 R U' R'
R U R' U R U R' F' (R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R') U2 R U' R'
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Back on topic (;-)) - Marcel, how are you getting on with the Weilong? I can't decide if I should get one... I really need to stop buying cubes!
sneaklyfox
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Then decide not to get one and then you won't be buying another cube.
I think Marcel loves the WeiLong. I still like my ShuangRen better so it still comes down to personal preference.
@pipkiksass: What's your main right now and what kind of feeling do you like? Smooth? Clicky? Fast?
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Hahaha
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You should definitely buy one. They are real cheap. Like 8$ at Fasttech or Wallbuys. My main is a Weilong at the moment. I set a new Ao100 this week. It is pure awesomeness. The thing with Weilongs is that when tensions are too loose it will become uncontrolable fast. With tensions real tight, and a lot of lube it is really fast, controllable and no lockups. IMHO the best cube ever made...
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