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So Mr Gnome has to casually walk around carrying a table with him in his (conveniently) free hand....hmm.....

I prefer my OH solves to have some degree of elegance to them.

Speaking of which, I've had a stab at OH 4x4x4 with my new Weisu. Not much elegance there, it locks up every other turn, I think some modifications are in order. So my best time so far is a dismal 3m17s, some way shy of Antoine's 63s best. Perhaps a more realistic target of 2m00 might be worth contemplating.
 
EvilGnome6 said:
Should I learn full OLL and PLL for OH? It's not an event I care much about but I find myself doing it a lot when I'm casually solving or walking around. Mostly, I find it annoying having to 2-look a case for which I already know a 2H alg.
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I'm in the same boat and I don't really know what to do. I have been relearning (OH amnesia) some OLLs and most PLLs I already use for 2H but some are really horrible for OH and I end up at times having to do 4LLL. PLLs I have (re)learned all except for the Rs, which I do with an A followed by a U or J(b?) but my V and Ns are really terrible OH. But OLLs I still can't do like more than half OH. I think for some of those I'm going to search for new algs and learn them for OH and maybe as an alternative for 2H as well. Will surely check Antoine Cantin's algs.
 
In theory learning an alg Set like PLL or OLL with different algs (for OH) is a lot easier than learning it for the first time because the part of recognition is free.

Antoine's OH algs are great, all of them. I learnt his PLLs except for F, Y and Rb where the 2H alg is good enough.
Now I only learnt OLL for 2H recently but I think I will learn the OH OLL algs in no time.

Check out this V perm for OH: R' U2 R U2 L U' R' U L' U L U' R U L'. As much as I hate V on 2H, I love it on OH. :)
 
sqAree said:
In theory learning an alg Set like PLL or OLL with different algs (for OH) is a lot easier than learning it for the first time because the part of recognition is free.

Antoine's OH algs are great, all of them. I learnt his PLLs except for F, Y and Rb where the 2H alg is good enough.
Now I only learnt OLL for 2H recently but I think I will learn the OH OLL algs in no time.

Check out this V perm for OH: R' U2 R U2 L U' R' U L' U L U' R U L'. As much as I hate V on 2H, I love it on OH. :)
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It's definitely better than mine but, anyway, with so many changes between L U and R it's difficult to execute like that. I have tried rotating first on z so that it becomes U, R and D but still not confortable with it. Do you know of a video on how to actually execute it or can give written advice on how to do it?
 
mafergut said:
It's definitely better than mine but, anyway, with so many changes between L U and R it's difficult to execute like that. I have tried rotating first on z so that it becomes U, R and D but still not confortable with it. Do you know of a video on how to actually execute it or can give written advice on how to do it?
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I personally can't execute <R,U,D> algs OH properly.
Antoine has a video series about how to execute his OH PLLs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9U1a5Lsyj4.

I execute V like: R' U2' R U2'
L (middle push on DBL)
U' R' U z
U' R U R' D R U'.
 
sqAree said:
I personally can't execute <R,U,D> algs OH properly.
Antoine has a video series about how to execute his OH PLLs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9U1a5Lsyj4.

I execute V like: R' U2' R U2'
L (middle push on DBL)
U' R' U z
U' R U R' D R U'.
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Thanks a lot for all the info and the link. I have checked in the wiki and I have seen an alternative for the alg that is also worth considering for people who like wide Rs in OH:

R' U2 R U2 L U' R' U r' F r U' R U L'

it avoids a couple of Ls or the mid-alg z rotation but z rotations are fast OH so I will try your way first.
 
mafergut said:
Thanks a lot for all the info and the link. I have checked in the wiki and I have seen an alternative for the alg that is also worth considering for people who like wide Rs in OH:

R' U2 R U2 L U' R' U r' F r U' R U L'

it avoids a couple of Ls or the mid-alg z rotation but z rotations are fast OH so I will try your way first.
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And I will try your alg, it looks convincing. I'm not too at ease with wide Rs for OH (especially not when switching between R and r frequently) but your alg seems fingertricky.
 
mafergut said:
Thanks a lot for all the info and the link. I have checked in the wiki and I have seen an alternative for the alg that is also worth considering for people who like wide Rs in OH:

R' U2 R U2 L U' R' U r' F r U' R U L'

it avoids a couple of Ls or the mid-alg z rotation but z rotations are fast OH so I will try your way first.
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For the V perm, I start the initial R' U2 R U2, and do a z, but then I never rotate back and execute the rest of the alg RUD. Once you get familiar with the triggers (there are a couple Niklas like movements in there), it's pretty easy to make the adjustment. Maybe that'll help you if it's the rotations that are bothering you.

Once you get used to the z rotations, they're really not bad at all. The best thing you can do is just pick a few RUL or RUD algs and drill them over and over again. V perm is an alg I still practice whenever I'm just waiting for the bus or something.

sqAree said:
And I will try your alg, it looks convincing. I'm not too at ease with wide Rs for OH (especially not when switching between R and r frequently) but your alg seems fingertricky.
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Same thing. Just find a few algs with both Rs and wide Rs and drill, drill, drill. You're especially gonna need 'em for full OLL, like dot cases.

My favorite cases for R/Rw accuracy practice might be OLL 56/57, 21/22, 10 and 8. And of course the whole variety of fat sune, double fat sunes, and antisune varients... all good practice. Fat Sunes are everywhere with dot OLLs, so might as well get used to 'em.

Both of you guys should also check out Phil Yu's OH videos, if you haven't already. He has good tips for how to execute some moves and increase TPS. Here's a couple linked form Antoine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sHejYBzHU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5O7Ac5dFes
 
Chree said:
For the V perm, I start the initial R' U2 R U2, and do a z, but then I never rotate back and execute the rest of the alg RUD. Once you get familiar with the triggers (there are a couple Niklas like movements in there), it's pretty easy to make the adjustment. Maybe that'll help you if it's the rotations that are bothering you. [...]

Same thing. Just find a few algs with both Rs and wide Rs and drill, drill, drill. You're especially gonna need 'em for full OLL, like dot cases. [...]

Both of you guys should also check out Phil Yu's OH videos, if you haven't already. He has good tips for how to execute some moves and increase TPS. Here's a couple linked form Antoine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sHejYBzHU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5O7Ac5dFes
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Thanks! My issue with that alg is that even though RUD is better than LUR I still lose some time specially with D' moves, trying to do both Rs and Ds with my pinky is not very ergonomic. That's why I thought the r' F r variant was worth trying but I better get used to RUDs as I'm trying a new Na perm that's just that all the time, as you probably know if you read yesterday's posts in this very thread :)

Regarding wide Rs and OLLs I completely agree, just by reviewing Antoine's OH OLL algs I just realized there are lots of wide Rs.

I will check Yu's videos!!!
 
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