Nice Z PLL for OH

[Kenneth]

I'm using COLL and because of that I get a lot of Z PLL's (1:6 if I do not count all times I do ZBLL or enforce a U PLL while doing COLL = half ZB).

Z PLL is not fun to do OH and I tried many algs before I found one that "works"

E2 R E r2 R2 E R L2 E2

I use the thumb to push the E slice so I do not have to go U+D. E2 I push as two E's so it's for real 11 turns but pretty fast, at least for me.

Edit: forgot, the alg affects the R side not U. I used a UME alg to make this one but changed U->R and M->E = cube orient z before the alg.

 

[watermelon]

What about with the 2-gen Z-perm? R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U2

 

[FU]

Or U R' U' R U' R U R U' R' U R U R2 U' R' U

 

[Pedro]

yeah, I use the common alg, x' R U' R' U D...

don't know how you can be fast with E turns...and OH O.o

 

[Gunnar]

I'm using COLL and because of that I get a lot of Z PLL's (1:6 if I do not count all times I do ZBLL or enforce a U PLL while doing COLL = half ZB).

Z PLL is not fun to do OH and I tried many algs before I found one that "works"

E2 R E r2 R2 E R L2 E2

I use the thumb to push the E slice so I do not have to go U+D. E2 I push as two E's so it's for real 11 turns but pretty fast, at least for me.

Edit: forgot, the alg affects the R side not U. I used a UME alg to make this one but changed U->R and M->E = cube orient z before the alg.

Seriously, that must be one of the worst OH-algs I've tried. Al those slice moves take forever. I use:

(x') R U' R' U (z') R U' R (z) U' R' U R D2

 

[Kenneth]

I merely do my E's as U's using the thumb. If you put the thumb at Ruf and do U then you understand how it is done. Then you only have to put your thumb one layer lower and a finger on the backside to prevent the U layer to follow the middle one, it is not that hard if you have practice it a little

I know about those 2-gens but they are to long for me, I don't like that because I know that any short alg is a good alg if you only practice it long enough

 

[AvGalen]

E with a thumb push is slooooooooow and puts all your fingers in a very bad position to continue.

Short algs are good, but fingertrick friendly algs are better

 

[Mike Hughey]

Kenneth, how fast can you do this? (It took me 12 seconds.)

 

[Gunnar]

Kenneth, how fast can you do this? (It took me 12 seconds.)

I, myself got 12.09 with Kenneth's alg. With my own alg, which I posted a in this thread, I got 3.30 one-handed.

 

[Mike Hughey]

Kenneth, how fast can you do this? (It took me 12 seconds.)

I, myself got 12.09 with Kenneth's alg. With my own alg, which I posted a in this thread, I got 3.30 one-handed.

It took me 10 seconds with your alg. But then, I'm terribly slow at OH in general, and I actually use the thumb push often when doing BLD OH edge orientation (which I actually do practice, occasionally) (but obviously not enough to switch to a sensible edge orientation algorithm - it takes me 20 seconds to orient 4 edges BLD).

 

[Pedro]

16.xx with Kenneths's
7.60 first try with Gunnar's
5.95 with watermelon's
5.38 with FU's
6.63 with my usual xD (EDIT: 5.37)

 

[Lofty]

I don't understand how it can be used either...
I use the 2-gen one.

 

[Dene]

I have been using the 2-gen, but with a little bit now playing with my new 2H one, I might switch. It's just a variation of Gunnar's one:

(R B' R' B) (F R' F) (B' R' B R) F2 (U)

 

[Lofty]

hmm with proper cube rotations its not bad.

 

[Kenneth]

I can do my alg in 10-12 seconds (hey Gunnar, you are usaly at least twice as fast as I am =) I have not tried a 2-gen Z but a U 2-gen takes me around 7-9 seconds so My guess is that a Z 2-gen may be in the same range as my alg or a bit slower.

Gunnar you can do your alg that fast because you have practice it a lot. Practice mine equally much and it will not longer be 10+ for you, Maybe not sub 5 but closer to 5 than 10.

But I will try the alg you got (or the variation of Dene) those seems really intresting.

 

[malcolm]

I use Denes one onehanded from a slightly different angle, with B as U and F as D, and do z and z' between the turns, but not full z/z' more like 30 degree rotations

 

[Johannes91]

E with a thumb push is slooooooooow and puts all your fingers in a very bad position to continue.

How would you suggest doing it, then? Thumb works fine for me. Got 6.23 after a few tries with Kenneth's alg.

 

[AvGalen]

E with a thumb push is slooooooooow and puts all your fingers in a very bad position to continue.

How would you suggest doing it, then? Thumb works fine for me. Got 6.23 after a few tries with Kenneth's alg.

I would suggest NOT doing it! 6.23 is slower compared to me doing the 2-gen OH. Me doing OH is slow compared to you doing OH, so 6.23 should be very slow compared to you doing the 2-gen OH.

 

[fanwuq]

I use Gunnar's. It is so strange to use different algs for OH... What's a good H perm? I do LRU2L'R'...

 

[Pedro]

Tomy's is nice:
x' r R U2' r' R' u' U' R2 U D