Nice Z PLL for OH

[Johannes91]

E with a thumb push is slooooooooow and puts all your fingers in a very bad position to continue.

How would you suggest doing it, then? Thumb works fine for me.

I would suggest NOT doing it!

It just sounded like you were critizing using thumb, not E in general.

Tomy's is nice:
x' r R U2' r' R' u' U' R2 U D

That's H.

 

[tim]

Tomy's is nice:
x' r R U2' r' R' u' U' R2 U D

That's H.

fanwuq asked for a good H-perm. Pedro just forgot to quote him.

 

[Johannes91]

Ah, ok. Didn't notice that.

x' r R U2' r' R' u' U' R2 U D = R L U2 R' L' B' F' U2 F B (x' y')

 

[fanwuq]

I found R2U2RU2R2U2R2U2RU2R2 on lofty's site. I think I will try it.

 

[Dene]

Yes, that is the one that I think most fast OH cubers use. I can do it sub5, so it must be good.

 

[malcolm]

Yeah, using Denes i got a sub 4 not counting the last F, because you can account for it before the alg, and it slows me down heaps because i need to regrip

 

[Swordsman Kirby]

I did 7.66 using (rR)2 U (rR)2 U2 (rR)2 U (rR)2, which is what I would've done for OH (but I don't do OH, so yeah), 7.75 with the <R,U> alg, and 4.56 with Tomy's alg.

I like Tomy's.

 

[fanwuq]

4.47 Z perm and 5.17 H perm. I don't suck at half of the PLLs anymore!
Still need to get better on N, G, V, T, R, E, F

I use tomy's H.

 

[coopersacatfilms]

Also you could use the 2-gen algorithms but that one is the one with the M2 in it except on the right right?

 

[fanwuq]

Also you could use the 2-gen algorithms but that one is the one with the M2 in it except on the right right?

Who?
I find the 2 gen for both H and Z slow for OH.
Z
R B' R' B F R' F B' R' B R F2 U' (do it after x' for easy fingertricks) I can get sub-4.50, 3rd fast single and average sub-6.
H
x' r R U2' r' R' u' U' R2 U D
Fastest single at 4.07 and average sub-6.

2gen Z: I don't know it but it is 17 moves, so probably about 7 on average if I know it.
2gen H: about 6.

Kenneth's Z is optimal in STM I think.

 

[Johannes91]

Kenneth's Z is optimal in STM I think.

M2 u M2 u' S' M2 S

 

[fanwuq]

I remember there were middle slice turns on different sides for the optimal.
This optimal solution is quite similar to Kenneth's one move less. I wonder why he does not do zx then this one.

 

[Kenneth]

There is actually a 7 turn MSU for Z but I don't remeber it anymore, it was so slow because you had to shift between M and S sides several times.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

idk about you guys, but i think gunnars alg posted earlier on this topic is the BEST ONE so far! thanks gunnar!

 

[watermelon]

There is actually a 7 turn MSU for Z but I don't remeber it anymore, it was so slow because you had to shift between M and S sides several times.

These are 7 turn MSU algs for the Z-perm (on D):

S M2 S' U' S2 U M2
S2 U M2 U' M' S2 M
S2 U M2 U' M S2 M'
S' M2 S U' S2 U M2
M S2 M' U M2 U' S2
M2 U' S2 U S' M2 S
M2 U' S2 U S M2 S'
M' S2 M U M2 U' S2

As you said, they're not very good for OH.

 

[joey]

There is actually a 7 turn MSU for Z but I don't remeber it anymore, it was so slow because you had to shift between M and S sides several times.

Look two posts up.

EDIT:
sorry, my mistake.