Next step in optimizing ortega?

it's just recognition, you will know AUF after 1000 solves of ortega i'm sure :D
it just comes in my opinion

i have few questions
what is ROLL?

and I don't understand CLL algorithms :S need help
 
i use ortega right now and average around 10 second.
i want to be faster before my 2nd comp on 20 februari.
is it worth (and possible) too learn cll in like an month.
i heard that cll needs some practise so i don't now what i should do.
 
Musli4brekkies said:
manyhobbyfreak said:
i use ortega right now and average around 10 second.
i want to be faster before my 2nd comp on 20 februari.
is it worth (and possible) too learn cll in like an month.
i heard that cll needs some practise so i don't now what i should do.
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If you do an Average of 2500 you will be at 6 seconds in no time.
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is an average of 2500 not a bit too much.
avg of 25 is more likely an good avg for my :p :p
 
manyhobbyfreak said:
i use ortega right now and average around 10 second.
i want to be faster before my 2nd comp on 20 februari.
is it worth (and possible) too learn cll in like an month.
i heard that cll needs some practise so i don't now what i should do.
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Yes, it's possible to learn all the algorithms for CLL in about a day, but recognition takes a long time to get good at.
You can find CLL algorithms on Rowe Hessler's, Erik Akkersdijk's, and my youtube channel, and on David Woner's and Anthony Brookes' websites.
There are also some in the speedsolving wiki, but most of them aren't very good.

I think that you should practice Ortega first though, and come back to CLL after your next competition. Switching or learning new methods just before a competition (especially for 2x2) is not a good idea - trust me.

You can get sub 6 seconds with Ortega quite easily with a bit of specific practice:
- When you build your first face, remember the permutation on the bottom (if you have made a layer, if you have a bar on bottom and where the bar is, and if you have a diagonal swap on bottom).
- Make sure you are colour neutral.
- Learn some good PBLs (from here are the best), and practice them lots.
- Make sure you are using the best OLLs for each case (R'FR2U'R2FR is one that lots of people don't know, but is amazing).
- and last but not least, turn fast! Lookahead during the solve isn't very important in 2x2, but turning fast, using pre-inspection well and having good recognition are.
 
stufkan said:
Learn Guimond.
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I have considered that one, but is it worth it?
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Is what worth it? There is barely anything to learn with Guimond.

CLL is fine for some people, but it is not the best method for all. I only use it if the layer is really easy.

SS algs: http://www.dtwoner.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_49_SS

Nobody mentions OFOTA anymore. The algs for the adjacent case are actually pretty good. I haven't generated the diagonal case yet though.
 
Escher said:
manyhobbyfreak said:
i use ortega right now and average around 10 second.
i want to be faster before my 2nd comp on 20 februari.
is it worth (and possible) too learn cll in like an month.
i heard that cll needs some practise so i don't now what i should do.
Click to expand...

Yes, it's possible to learn all the algorithms for CLL in about a day, but recognition takes a long time to get good at.
You can find CLL algorithms on Rowe Hessler's, Erik Akkersdijk's, and my youtube channel, and on David Woner's and Anthony Brookes' websites.
There are also some in the speedsolving wiki, but most of them aren't very good.

I think that you should practice Ortega first though, and come back to CLL after your next competition. Switching or learning new methods just before a competition (especially for 2x2) is not a good idea - trust me.

You can get sub 6 seconds with Ortega quite easily with a bit of specific practice:
- When you build your first face, remember the permutation on the bottom (if you have made a layer, if you have a bar on bottom and where the bar is, and if you have a diagonal swap on bottom).
- Make sure you are colour neutral.
- Learn some good PBLs (from here are the best), and practice them lots.
- Make sure you are using the best OLLs for each case (R'FR2U'R2FR is one that lots of people don't know, but is amazing).
- and last but not least, turn fast! Lookahead during the solve isn't very important in 2x2, but turning fast, using pre-inspection well and having good recognition are.
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i am still using 3x3 oll algs, can you post post the algs for each case that you use.
 
manyhobbyfreak said:
Escher said:
manyhobbyfreak said:
i use ortega right now and average around 10 second.
i want to be faster before my 2nd comp on 20 februari.
is it worth (and possible) too learn cll in like an month.
i heard that cll needs some practise so i don't now what i should do.
Click to expand...

Yes, it's possible to learn all the algorithms for CLL in about a day, but recognition takes a long time to get good at.
You can find CLL algorithms on Rowe Hessler's, Erik Akkersdijk's, and my youtube channel, and on David Woner's and Anthony Brookes' websites.
There are also some in the speedsolving wiki, but most of them aren't very good.

I think that you should practice Ortega first though, and come back to CLL after your next competition. Switching or learning new methods just before a competition (especially for 2x2) is not a good idea - trust me.

You can get sub 6 seconds with Ortega quite easily with a bit of specific practice:
- When you build your first face, remember the permutation on the bottom (if you have made a layer, if you have a bar on bottom and where the bar is, and if you have a diagonal swap on bottom).
- Make sure you are colour neutral.
- Learn some good PBLs (from here are the best), and practice them lots.
- Make sure you are using the best OLLs for each case (R'FR2U'R2FR is one that lots of people don't know, but is amazing).
- and last but not least, turn fast! Lookahead during the solve isn't very important in 2x2, but turning fast, using pre-inspection well and having good recognition are.
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i am still using 3x3 oll algs, can you post post the algs for each case that you use.
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http://www.blueknightcubing.com/2x2.htm

These are pretty good OLLs.
 
DavidWoner said:
CLL is fine for some people, but it is not the best method for all. I only use it if the layer is really easy.

SS algs: http://www.dtwoner.110mb.com/index.php?p=1_49_SS

Nobody mentions OFOTA anymore. The algs for the adjacent case are actually pretty good. I haven't generated the diagonal case yet though.
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^David makes a good point, OFOTA is a great method, as is SS. They both have a good capacity for one-look solves, and despite each having more cases than CLL each algorithm is often much shorter and faster, and are often mirrors/inverses of another.

manyhobbyfreak said:
i am still using 3x3 oll algs, can you post post the algs for each case that you use.
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U: FRUR'U'F'
sune: RUR'URU2R'
anti-sune: RU2R'U'RU'R'
Pi: R'FR2U'R2FR
L: FRU'R'U'RUR'F'
T: RUR'U'R'FRF'
H: R2U2R'U2R2
 
I just learned Ortega a couple of days ago when i got my ES from cubelagoon :)
Within 24 hours i had a sub 9 avg of 12.

I highly recommend learning ortega as the first 2x2x2 method.


On topic: I have nothing to contribute as of yet :o
 
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