Would it be Ok if I posted a scramble and how I solved it? I am really getting stuck on my times and Im pretty sure its my 20 second cross and f2l =/ Would anyone be interested in doing these scrambles and giving their solution along with tips for me to improve F2L? (Or anything else)
My solutions?
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ofc we are interessted, post some solutions (like 3 or so) so that we can help you decrease number of turns.
The most important advise still is LOOK AHEAD, go slow and avoid pauses.
It would be helpful if you post your solution like
cross: (x)
f2l
#1: .... (x)
#2: .... (x)
... with x as number of turns so you can look over the solution quikly and search for weaknesses. there are also some other threads about this topic, use the search feature and you see a lot of example solves, but please post yours first, I am interessted =)
The most important advise still is LOOK AHEAD, go slow and avoid pauses.
It would be helpful if you post your solution like
cross: (x)
f2l
#1: .... (x)
#2: .... (x)
... with x as number of turns so you can look over the solution quikly and search for weaknesses. there are also some other threads about this topic, use the search feature and you see a lot of example solves, but please post yours first, I am interessted =)
Ok I just did one for now I'll do another later. (They take me awhile.) Sorry if I got the notation wrong, and I do the 2-look OLL so hang with me.
Scramble: F L U R U' L' U' L2 R U2 B' D B' D' F' B' L F2 U B2 R' L U2 R U'
Cross: B'L2UR'F2 (5)
1st: R'URUyRUR'URU'R' (11)
2nd: y URU'R'U'yL'U'L (8)
3rd: y U2RU'R'L'U'L (7)
4th: y U2L'ULUy'RUR' (8)
(2-Look) OLL: y'(f RUR'U'f')U'(L'U'LU'L'U2L) (14)
PLL: U2 y x R2D2RUR'D2RU'R (10)
Scramble: F L U R U' L' U' L2 R U2 B' D B' D' F' B' L F2 U B2 R' L U2 R U'
Cross: B'L2UR'F2 (5)
1st: R'URUyRUR'URU'R' (11)
2nd: y URU'R'U'yL'U'L (8)
3rd: y U2RU'R'L'U'L (7)
4th: y U2L'ULUy'RUR' (8)
(2-Look) OLL: y'(f RUR'U'f')U'(L'U'LU'L'U2L) (14)
PLL: U2 y x R2D2RUR'D2RU'R (10)
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Ok already 11 is way too many moves to insert an F2L pair especially with a cube rotation in the middle. For nasty cases like that you should learn an alg.
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1st: R'URUyRUR'URU'R' (11)
You could insert that one as:
y R U' R' U' R U' R' U R U' R'
y' U L2 U2 L' U' L U' L2
y U R2 U2 R' U' R U' R2
Other than that, your solve looks good, 4 cube rotations in F2L might be a bit much, though.
Here's how I solved that scramble:
Cross: L2 B' U R' F2 (5)
1st: d' L U' L' R' U' R (7)
2nd: R U2 R' U' R U R' (7)
3rd: U' L' U2 L2 U L' (6)
4th: U L' U' L y' U R U R' (8)
OLL: R U2 R2 U' R U' R' U2 R' F R F' (12) <-I hate this case
PLL: U2 y x R2 D2 R U R' D2 R U' R (10) <- Same PLL as you, haha.
Only 1 cube rotation in F2L here
You could insert that one as:
y R U' R' U' R U' R' U R U' R'
y' U L2 U2 L' U' L U' L2
y U R2 U2 R' U' R U' R2
Other than that, your solve looks good, 4 cube rotations in F2L might be a bit much, though.
Here's how I solved that scramble:
Cross: L2 B' U R' F2 (5)
1st: d' L U' L' R' U' R (7)
2nd: R U2 R' U' R U R' (7)
3rd: U' L' U2 L2 U L' (6)
4th: U L' U' L y' U R U R' (8)
OLL: R U2 R2 U' R U' R' U2 R' F R F' (12) <-I hate this case
PLL: U2 y x R2 D2 R U R' D2 R U' R (10) <- Same PLL as you, haha.
Only 1 cube rotation in F2L here
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I never knew that case has so high of a move count. I guess I need to look up algs too. Although that's probably the only case I need to change.
I do U'R'U'RU'R'U2yRU2R'
10 moves with a y. That's horrible.
I do U'R'U'RU'R'U2yRU2R'
10 moves with a y. That's horrible.
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I'd stick to intuitive F2L and only learn algs for crazy cases like that.
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I've got the same problem
squeek, I'm having the same problem you're having. I just can't seem to break the 20 second F2L. Every once in a while I'll get 15s or so but it not steady.
I know what I have to do to lower my times, My cross is horrible(3-5s cross
),
I pause too much during the F2L, and my LL is really bad(avg. 8-12 second with 2-Look OLL) Maybe its that I don't finger trick the LL very well. Well, anyway I feel for ya, man.
squeek, I'm having the same problem you're having. I just can't seem to break the 20 second F2L. Every once in a while I'll get 15s or so but it not steady.
I know what I have to do to lower my times, My cross is horrible(3-5s cross
),I pause too much during the F2L, and my LL is really bad(avg. 8-12 second with 2-Look OLL) Maybe its that I don't finger trick the LL very well. Well, anyway I feel for ya, man.
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Hmmm...
Cross: B' L2 U R' F2 (5)
1st: L U L' U B' U' B (7)
2nd: F' U F U2 F U F' (7)
3rd: F' U' F U' R' U' R2 (7)
the R2 instead of R in anticipation of...
4th: U2' R' U' R U R' (6)
OLL: U' R U R' U R d' R U' R' F' (11)
PLL: U' x U' R U' L2 U R' U' L2 U2 (11)
Total: 54 moves
For that 1st insertion case that you did I use d' R U R' U2' R U R' U' R U R', it's 11 moves, but it's hella fast when you push the U2' around with your right index. It's one of the cases I don't do intuitively. I've just picked up F2L algorithms here and there as I find I don't like the solution I have, I didn't sit down and grind them like my OLLs, but I probably have about a dozen or more in my repertoire now.
If I'd picked your pair in inserted it my way I would have continued with:
2rd: U2 R' U R U' B U' B'
3rd: U' L' U L2 U' L'
4th: L' U L U' F U F'
OLL: F U R U' R' F'
PLL: U' Skip
Which would have rocked.
For edge correct, corner on top of it with D color up, I do (R U R' U') (R U R' U') (R U R'), which even my old, slow bones can do in about 1.6-1.8 seconds. But, yes, an intuitive insert that takes 11 turns *and* a cube rotation, definitely needs an alg. The alg I mentioned above takes me about 2.2 seconds, which is really appalling, but I'm pretty slow.
Cross: B' L2 U R' F2 (5)
1st: L U L' U B' U' B (7)
2nd: F' U F U2 F U F' (7)
3rd: F' U' F U' R' U' R2 (7)
the R2 instead of R in anticipation of...
4th: U2' R' U' R U R' (6)
OLL: U' R U R' U R d' R U' R' F' (11)
PLL: U' x U' R U' L2 U R' U' L2 U2 (11)
Total: 54 moves
For that 1st insertion case that you did I use d' R U R' U2' R U R' U' R U R', it's 11 moves, but it's hella fast when you push the U2' around with your right index. It's one of the cases I don't do intuitively. I've just picked up F2L algorithms here and there as I find I don't like the solution I have, I didn't sit down and grind them like my OLLs, but I probably have about a dozen or more in my repertoire now.
If I'd picked your pair in inserted it my way I would have continued with:
2rd: U2 R' U R U' B U' B'
3rd: U' L' U L2 U' L'
4th: L' U L U' F U F'
OLL: F U R U' R' F'
PLL: U' Skip
Which would have rocked.
You've been doing OH for a long time Lofty. ;-)
For edge correct, corner on top of it with D color up, I do (R U R' U') (R U R' U') (R U R'), which even my old, slow bones can do in about 1.6-1.8 seconds. But, yes, an intuitive insert that takes 11 turns *and* a cube rotation, definitely needs an alg. The alg I mentioned above takes me about 2.2 seconds, which is really appalling, but I'm pretty slow.
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squeek, I'm having the same problem you're having. I just can't seem to break the 20 second F2L. Every once in a while I'll get 15s or so but it not steady.
I know what I have to do to lower my times, My cross is horrible(3-5s cross
I pause too much during the F2L, and my LL is really bad(avg. 8-12 second with 2-Look OLL) Maybe its that I don't finger trick the LL very well. Well, anyway I feel for ya, man.
Do you mean F2L pairs only or cross and pairs? If cross and pairs, 20 average can still get you an 27s average (sadly, I generally get this on real cube solves when I'm not perfectly focused.) Pairs only with 15s inspection, I can get about 10-12 seconds. Cross and PLL determines my times usually. Though there are times when I can't focus at on F2L and there can be as big as a 10s difference. My times are too random. Some times I make lots of mistakes and thought it sucks and I get a 22, other times I felt look-head and everything is perfect and it turns out to be 28.
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