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My progression thread | new strategy for improving | Currently First Block

How long will it take for me to be sub-6 ao500 roux

  • 1 year

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • 1.5 years

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • 2 years

    Votes: 3 8.1%
  • 2.5 years

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • 3 years

    Votes: 5 13.5%
  • 5 years

    Votes: 7 18.9%
  • Gonna quit

    Votes: 17 45.9%

  • Total voters
    37

StrategySam

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You might want to have better short-term goals. Sub-6 is going to take years, at best. Maybe aim for sub-20 for now.

Also, why does everyone think CN roux is hard/not worth using? There's really nothing that makes it any more difficult than x2y. Block building is just as easy, CMLL and EO recognition is trivial, and LSE isn't any harder.
Alright. You've changed my mind lol. After trying CN L10P it really isnt as hard as I thought and it will only get easier as a practice.
 

Brouxt Force

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Alright. You've changed my mind lol. After trying CN L10P it really isnt as hard as I thought and it will only get easier as a practice.
I once tried to be color neutral, but when I realized I would be sub 12 with only x2/y color neutrality, I stopped. I agree that CN L10P isn't that hard. When I did CN solves, I feel like my CN L10P was almost the same as my x2/y CN. CMLL recognition didn't change much, and LSE recognition was still easy. The step that I was significantly worse at (probs around 1-2 seconds worse) was second block. For me, recognizing second block cases was just slower and I had to turn slower to keep things fluid. I was horrifically bad at first block at the very beginning of trying CN, but after a while, it mostly just hurt my inspection time. So, it was mainly my block building that got worse.

I don't think switching to full CN is worth it, because on top of spending a really long time to master all the other colors, it would, at best, make your solves marginally faster. There are other ways to get faster that take less time. That being said, though, that is just my opinion, and the slower you are, the easier it would be to switch to full CN. If I started Roux being CN, I probably would have stayed CN. Ultimately, you can do whatever you want, and if you want to become CN, you have to at least give it a genuine try.

I may be wrong about full CN being worse than x2/y CN, but, for me, at least, I don't think it's worth it. I already gave it a try a while ago, and after hundreds of CN solves, I decided I didn't want to put in the time needed to become fully CN.
 

Neatcubing

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I am currently around 27 seconds but I think a found a new approach to learning to be faster, faster, and wanted to document how it goes. My end goal is to be sub-6 with roux.

My new approach to learning significantly better is by first focusing on move count then focusing on tps which I can always drill later. I found that the main reason why I am as slow and inconistant is not because of tps but because of the move count. Getting good habits early will make it easier for my future self to go faster.

My plan of action is to first learn full CMLL then First block effincency then Second block effincent pairing then LSE EOLR all the while being CN. I will update my progress with move count and solve time to see how much saving moves saves on final time.


Generated By csTimer on 2021-07-06
avg of 5: 27.145
Time List:


1. (22.645) B2 R2 L F' B2 D' L U2 B' D2 B' L2 F U2 F2 U2 L2
2. 30.420 R D' L U2 L2 D' U2 B2 L2 D L2 U F' U R' B2 L' U2 F'
3. 25.359 L B L' U2 B2 R D' R' U' F B D2 F' L2 B D2 F2 R2 D2 B2
4. 25.656 B' D2 R2 U' F2 L2 U' F2 L2 D2 R2 D2 B U R' U L D' U' R'
5. (30.643) B2 R' B2 L' D2 R F2 L2 B2 R2 U2 F D' L' F' U' B' R' F2 U2

All CMLLs sub 1.3! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...oVAHEIwWD2ME0S18z7SYNGrYG0/edit#gid=881196109
Sub-6 is a really ambitious goal
Edit:I am only sub 30 so I'm not qualified to say this,but I think it could probably be reached in 3 years
 
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StrategySam

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Generated By csTimer on 2021-08-08
avg of 5: 19.91

Time List:
1. (22.35) F2 D2 U2 R2 F2 D2 R D2 L F2 L' D' R U B' U' R' F2 L' U2
2. 19.80 D B U' F D' F R' D2 F' U' L2 D' F2 U2 D' F2 R2 F2 U' B2 U'
3. 19.22 D' L D R2 D2 R2 D2 U' B2 U' L' B2 F D U F R2
4. (16.98) B' D2 B D2 B2 L2 B' F2 D2 U2 F' L F L2 B' R' D B F2 U2
5. 20.71 D' U2 B2 D2 R' B2 R B2 L U2 F2 R2 F L2 R' U' F D' L2 R2
 

StrategySam

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My next short term goal is all CMLL recognition by Friday (August 13). The issue is I know all the algs and can do them fast. I know how to recognise (left bar, forward slash, X, etc.) But I am having a hard time matching them together. It might seem weird but its very frustrating.
 

GodCubing

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May 13, 2020
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Good luck man. I suggest learning nmcmll too. And maybe UF UB neutrality. These are the things I want to work on too.
 
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StrategySam

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Next short term goal is to get a sub 18 ao5 and a sub 20 ao12 by friday (August 20th). I want to work on acually FB building in solves and do CMLLs in solves.
 

UNO_FASY

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Apr 20, 2021
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I am currently around 27 seconds but I think a found a new approach to learning to be faster, faster, and wanted to document how it goes. My end goal is to be sub-6 with roux.

My new approach to learning significantly better is by first focusing on move count then focusing on tps which I can always drill later. I found that the main reason why I am as slow and inconistant is not because of tps but because of the move count. Getting good habits early will make it easier for my future self to go faster.

My plan of action is to first learn full CMLL then First block effincency then Second block effincent pairing then LSE EOLR all the while being CN. I will update my progress with move count and solve time to see how much saving moves saves on final time.


Generated By csTimer on 2021-07-06
avg of 5: 27.145
Time List:


1. (22.645) B2 R2 L F' B2 D' L U2 B' D2 B' L2 F U2 F2 U2 L2
2. 30.420 R D' L U2 L2 D' U2 B2 L2 D L2 U F' U R' B2 L' U2 F'
3. 25.359 L B L' U2 B2 R D' R' U' F B D2 F' L2 B D2 F2 R2 D2 B2
4. 25.656 B' D2 R2 U' F2 L2 U' F2 L2 D2 R2 D2 B U R' U L D' U' R'
5. (30.643) B2 R' B2 L' D2 R F2 L2 B2 R2 U2 F D' L' F' U' B' R' F2 U2

All CMLLs sub 1.3! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...oVAHEIwWD2ME0S18z7SYNGrYG0/edit#gid=881196109
Quite ambitious but good luck
 

StrategySam

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I didn't complete my goal and it was definity because of F2B. This next week I will be working on finding better FB solutions. Instead of having a second goal for next week, I will try to do an ao12 where every FB is done in 7 moves or less.
 

StrategySam

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Wow I am a lot worse at FB then I thought. I did some solves where I only solved the FB then scrambled it again then entered my movecount for FB. My mean was 7.7 moves. I am going to only work on FB next week.
 

GodCubing

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Wow I am a lot worse at FB then I thought. I did some solves where I only solved the FB then scrambled it again then entered my movecount for FB. My mean was 7.7 moves. I am going to only work on FB next week.
7.7 is good, I am 15.xx with roux and I average around that. anything under 8 is good enough
 

UNO_FASY

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Wow I am a lot worse at FB then I thought. I did some solves where I only solved the FB then scrambled it again then entered my movecount for FB. My mean was 7.7 moves. I am going to only work on FB next week.
Depends on how many solves that you did, i think 12 solves is still not accurate
 
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