My progression plan... is it good?

[QuinnHyatt]

Hey guys,

Right now, I average around 37 seconds. I have a little plan for my progression (what to learn when), and I was wondering if it's good or not, and what should I tweak?

At the moment, I'm learning some more advanced F2L cases, and that's bumping my average up to about 42 seconds per solve when I do that, but it'll obviously get better with case recognition and repetition.

So after advanced F2L:

1.) Work on planning out the entire cross from inspection (be able to do it with eyes closed, basically)
2.) Once average is at 30 seconds, learn PLL (I use 2-look OLL and 2-look PLL)
3.) Once average is at 20-25 seconds, learn OLL (again, full 1-look, same as step 2)

Again, I was just wondering if this was a good basic guideline/list to when I should learn everything. I'm not amazingly fast at learning algorithms, I detest the process, so I feel spacing it all out like this is the best bet. Any comments/help? It'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time,



--Quinn Hyatt

 

[Jaysammey777]

You can basically combined cross f2l and learning algs since you do them all in one solve. Cross is about efficiency too, so keep that in mind. Bad nephritis vids are good for that. F2l comes over time and will improve your times the most. 2-look Olil sn't bad. I avged 25 with both 2-look and 18 with 1-l pll and 2-l oll. So don't base it on time, but more when you are comfortable. Depending on how you learn you can do an alg a day, a set a week, or however u see fit.

 

[cygorx]

Uh, I recommend getting better at the cross before F2L. Achieving your cross in 8 or less moves every time not only gives you a good, solid intuition for the cube, but it will also help you to look ahead as you get better. Being able to see into the 1st F2L pair when you're sub-15 or even sub-20 will be helpful. Spending 12 seconds on your cross is a massive waste of time; you should be able to solve it in 2 seconds. That comes with practice though. Time your cross. Take half that, then try to seek out more efficient methods for solving the cross until you can obtain half or less your original time. Repeat the process until you get a 2-second cross time.
As for the advanced F2L, I don't recommend you start with "advanced cases." Learn how to non-algorithmically manipulate freeslotting, then start learning how you can algorithmically do this for maximum speeds. Your times will get slower for a few days, but you will rapidly see an improvement by about 4-5 seconds (a lot) when you're averaging 37 seconds.
I honestly think you don't need 1-look LL algorithms until you're sub-20, but if you'd like to learn them early, go ahead.

 

[crazygoodcuber]

just a tip if you still plan on using 4 look ll for a little bit longer try learning x and z perm they really help with 2 look pll

 

[brian724080]

There's no x perm

 

[ChickenWrap]

There's no x perm

He probably meant E perm, and some people call the H perm an X perm haha

 

[QuinnHyatt]

E and H perm are both included in 2-look though, unless there's some sort of 1-look version?

 

[brian724080]

He probably meant E perm, and some people call the H perm an X perm haha

Oh lol, I see

E and H perm are both included in 2-look though, unless there's some sort of 1-look version?

Yup, the only 1-look version is to do everything at the same time. Those permutations can end up being a 1-look algorithm at times when it are the only permutation you need to execute.

 

[cygorx]

The 2-look algorithms are all in 1-look algorithms. What if you get a skip on your 1st look of PLL and you have to solve a CW edge 3-cycle?

 

[Bindedsa]

I would start learning PLL now, algorithms and cross are two different learning processes and while you can finish PLL in a few weeks your cross will keep progressing.

 

[piyushp761]

You should also be able to inspect the first f2l pair when you are around 20-25 seconds..after you are sub 20, its all about look ahead and tps!

 

[ChickenWrap]

You should also be able to inspect the first f2l pair when you are around 20-25 seconds..after you are sub 20, its all about look ahead and tps!

I am around 20 seconds and can in no way inspect the first F2L pair....although I can sometimes locate it during my cross solve. I always find at least one of the pieces during cross.

 

[brian724080]

As to your plan, you should try to sub-15 with 2-Look OLL. Learning full OLL will only shave off two or three seconds at most, unless you are not even familiar with the 2-look algorithms

 

[Bindedsa]

As to your plan, you should try to sub-15 with 2-Look OLL. Learning full OLL will only shave off two or three seconds at most, unless you are not even familiar with the 2-look algorithms

Why wouldn't you learn it as early as possible? It's true you don't have to learn full OLL to be sub 20 or 15, but it's better to start whenever your willing.

 

[Ninja Storm]

As to your plan, you should try to sub-15 with 2-Look OLL. Learning full OLL will only shave off two or three seconds at most, unless you are not even familiar with the 2-look algorithms

2-3 seconds is quite a bit of time for a sub20 cuber; that's the difference between sub20 and sub18, if you couldn't count. Why wait until you're already sub15? Learn it when you finish PLL.

 

[brian724080]

Because learning F2L will yield greater improvement, and learning algorithms become easier as one progresses. That's what I think at least, because learning algorithms used to be way harder for me than it is now.

 

[uberCuber]

You should also be able to inspect the first f2l pair when you are around 20-25 seconds..after you are sub 20, its all about look ahead and tps!

Lol I average sub-11 and I can't (or at least don't) inspect the first F2L pair most of the time.

 

[kcl]

Lol I average sub-11 and I can't (or at least don't) inspect the first F2L pair most of the time.

wat

You track pieces during cross at least I assume?

 

[Hays]

If you're eventually going to learn full OLL and PLL it is better to just learn all of them now rather than to space it out. It's less productive to practice 2-look if that's not what you're going to end up using in the future when you are "fast."

Just sit down and learn all the algorithms one weekend. It sucks but it's way better.

 

[kcl]

If you're eventually going to learn full OLL and PLL it is better to just learn all of them now rather than to space it out. It's less productive to practice 2-look if that's not what you're going to end up using in the future when you are "fast."

Just sit down and learn all the algorithms one weekend. It sucks but it's way better.

That's how I learned PLL. I don't even know how I learned OLL.. It just magically happened.

That's how I learn most alg sets, if I don't know most of some set of algs I don't try and recognize for it.