Martín Telésforo "4.41 single" DNF - Perry Open, Mexico

[MaeLSTRoM]

Have other improvements to the scrambling table been thought out? Like a software that shows what the cube looks like after the said scramble? Then it would be easy for the scrambler to compare the said scrambled cube with what the software shows as the real scramble should be like. Just need 1 computer screen or smart phone and maybe someone to either make the software or find the software since something like it has already been made.

An image of the scrambled cube is shown next to the scramble for all puzzle types. It's been this way for quite a while with cubic puzzles, puzzles such as mega, clock and sq1 were added to this in the 2013 scrambling program.

 

[Tyson]

Have other improvements to the scrambling table been thought out? Like a software that shows what the cube looks like after the said scramble? Then it would be easy for the scrambler to compare the said scrambled cube with what the software shows as the real scramble should be like. Just need 1 computer screen or smart phone and maybe someone to either make the software or find the software since something like it has already been made.

This doesn't solve the issue at hand. We already have software that prints out what the scramble should look like. The problem here is that the person who's viewing this is the scrambler, whereas the person who transports the cube does not know what the scramble should be. It's not really feasible for a runner or a judge to know how a scrambled cube is supposed to look.

The main defense we have against this right now is the separation of the table where the cubes are initially delivered, and the scrambling table.

 

[Tyson]

PD: A pesar de que es un solve preparado .... es posible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPDKzn5C7-8

I'm not going to get into a battle like I did in the past with someone's mother. But I will say it is interesting that you post this video. Did you read the description in the video?

"The scramble: F2 D2 B2 F2 R F2 L' D2 B U B2 R' F2 U' F' D' L D2

I solved it using one of the optimal solutions given the constraints: D L' B R2 U L2 B' D' B U D2 L' D2 R U F2 y R U R' U2 Jperm

Of course this may not have been the exact solution, but I'm just showing how absurd it would be for someone to get a 4.41 on this scramble in an actual competition.

I could barely get under 4.41 despite trying over 100 times, already knowing the solution, and having absolutely 0 pauses for lookahead.

In my opinion there is absolutely no way someone could do this in a real competition without having cheated beforehand."

 

[DrKorbin]

If cubes are allowed to be placed on the scramble table directly, which is sometimes done at smaller competitions, a scrambler might not see this. The scrambler's head is staring at the scramble sheet. Meanwhile, if a judge or runner comes by for a cube, that judge isn't checking the state of the cube, nor would he know the initial positions of all 5 scrambles and recognize something was amiss. He sees the scrambled cube and assumes it's scrambled correctly.

Before starting scrambling, scramblers or judges or delegate or whoever should ensure all cubes placed on a table are solved.

A2a) When called for a round, the competitor submits his puzzle, in its solved state, to the scrambler and waits in the Competitors Area until he is called to compete.

 

[Mart Teles]

el comentario de arriba le escribí en el foro de Facebook.
Decidí ponerlo yo mismo en este foro para que no se corrieran tantos chismes sobre mi publicación. De la misma suerte lo he puesto tal cual lo escribí. por lo que cuando hablo del foro no me refiero a éste, sino a este https://www.facebook.com/groups/rubikmexico/

 

[Username]

el comentario de arriba le escribí en el foro de Facebook.
Decidí ponerlo yo mismo en este foro para que no se corrieran tantos chismes sobre mi publicación. De la misma suerte lo he puesto tal cual lo escribí. por lo que cuando hablo del foro no me refiero a éste, sino a este https://www.facebook.com/groups/rubikmexico/

Googla translate gives this:

the above comment I wrote in the Facebook forum.
I decided to put myself on this forum for many corrieran not gossip about my publication. Just luck I've put as they wrote it. so that when I speak of the forum do not mean it, but this https://www.facebook.com/groups/rubikmexico/

 

[BillyRain]

Well well well wut a suprise.. *rolls eyes* let's all go home now.

 

[Litz]

What I think happened is that the competitor at Perry Open 2013, who had a history of posting videos of rehearsed solves and presenting them as normal solves, used a rehearsed scramble. If you put your cube down on your scramble sheet, and you put it down scrambled, a judge can easily mistake it for a scrambled cube and take it to the timer.

It's for this reason why at WC 2013, you should expect to put your SOLVED cube on a separate table away from the scramble table. And then one of the staff members will transport your solved cube to the scramble table. If cubes are allowed to be placed on the scramble table directly, which is sometimes done at smaller competitions, a scrambler might not see this. The scrambler's head is staring at the scramble sheet. Meanwhile, if a judge or runner comes by for a cube, that judge isn't checking the state of the cube, nor would he know the initial positions of all 5 scrambles and recognize something was amiss. He sees the scrambled cube and assumes it's scrambled correctly.

Oh... and another note. It is for this reason that in both cases, when there was one solve much much faster than the other solves of the competitor, it occurred on the first solve. After the first solve, you're no longer responsible for transporting your cube to the timer or to the scrambling table.

That's very interesting (never knew that's how it worked). Thanks for the explanation.

 

[Mart Teles]

Por cierto, mi supuesta fama de fake surgió a raíz de un vídeo de un amigo que realizó para subirlo al foro, en ese tiempo yo ni si quiera sabia de la existencia de cubos de otra marca mas que hasbro y mucho menos de toda esta comunidad. así que esa fama fue creada por otra persona, yo ni sabía el destino de los vídeos.

 

[Username]

Por cierto, mi supuesta fama de fake surgió a raíz de un vídeo de un amigo que realizó para subirlo al foro, en ese tiempo yo ni si quiera sabia de la existencia de cubos de otra marca mas que hasbro y mucho menos de toda esta comunidad. así que esa fama fue creada por otra persona, yo ni sabía el destino de los vídeos.

Google translate:

By the way, my alleged fake fame arose from a video of a friend who performed for uploading to the forum, at that time I did not even know of the existence of another brand cubes more than hasbro let alone this whole community . so that fame was created by someone else, I do not know the fate of the videos.

 

[realcube]

I am very happy to hear that. I'm also glad, that Mats and Feliks amazing achievements will not get foiled by an apparent cheater.
Many thanks to the WCA for the well-founded, in-depth investigation.

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I am also glad there is a ruling now. Mats and Feliks can continue their 'feud'

 

[ySoSrs]

Would someone who speaks Spanish care to translate this post: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...ry-Open-Mexico&p=862403&viewfull=1#post862403

 

[Kattenvriendin]

I threw it in google translate. It helps a bit

 

[Username]

Would someone who speaks Spanish care to translate this post: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...ry-Open-Mexico&p=862403&viewfull=1#post862403

Spoiler: Google translation

I wrote this before the results were published Perry Open tournament.
Do not post it because it did not want to talk more about it until the WCA published his conclusion.
First I want to thank the people who believed in me and supported me (helping me to rebuild, defending me and the viewers who gave evidence).

A whole community of Rubik's Cube:

I have already provided all the information, as I'm concerned, my resolution to the WCA. But I must tell you that I did not cheat on my solve, the cube was well mixed, not stopped the timer, do not change the cube, did not stop the clock, not deceive my judge and I did not agree with him (or if want to know his name until May 25) or with any person.

I think the best cubero the world, not even in my country. I think that's what the average WR. I just had a lot of luck, as to Mats Valk that if I had not had the Oll Skip the 5.55 would be greater than 5.66 or as Feliks Zemdegs Giovanni Contardi that being sub 19 achieved a sub 10 (in the category of a hand), but I think I was most fortunate, as I managed one being sub 15 sub 5.

The Mexico Forum:

I think it was inevitable that the rumor of a new WR run worldwide. But the way in which it was published many things right, I understand that the Mexican humor is black (until we laugh when we trembled and died in 1985 people!), But I think that there were people who behaved very pendencieramente and people who spoke to ignore the facts, such as that no one saw my resolution, the timer stopped ... and so on. Our administrators (the forum) should (maybe) clear some publications that instead of causing more controversy help the situation.

The WCA:

It was my fault for not having recorded my 4.41. I understand it was very strange achieve that time, as I've said I was lucky, even luckier that my judge was Ernesto, one of the old cuberos (as far as I understood), not a new cubero. I think that my judge has confirmed that my solve was valid should be more very important and therefore the following:
1. - No competitor under 16 years old should be able to be a judge. This because it would be more prone to deceive you.
Two. - That to be judge or competitor scrambler should have been in two competitions and have been a year since the first.
Three. - That in each competition takes a list of people who juecearon and mixed for competition.
April. - I being a little more strict (but I think that would be good), that the time recording ballot is signed who are mixing and who is jueceando (shall be different).

Regulation should be improved and that does not include some things and you should take advantage of the World Rubik's Cube Championship 2013 is coming.

I wrote this because the verdict of the WCA for the same:
I wish and pray real conclusion that sustains and justifies the verdict of DNF.
A demonstration Mathematics where it is shown that it is impossible to reach the J (trade) randomly turning around. (Probability)
A biological demonstration that relies on me would have been impossible to reach the 4.41 seconds.
Now the WCA said that my lack of honesty ..... I have not cheated, have no proof of that, by the principle of presumption of innocence stated that his decision to ban amonestarme participate in WCA events until December 31, 2015 is unacceptable.
Nowhere in its rules are the sanctions that would earn the competitor to be surprised ....
I would also like you to send me my tests dishonesty and malice during the tournament.
Quote:
1. - "The solution is not consistent with previous descriptions of the solution made by the competitor after the competition." As I said were random and I do not remember exactly what I did, but the solution I saw Mexico forum made me very similar to what little I remember, I did not know of the existence of cubeexplorer. If the terms of use and triple Xcross F2l was to imply that what happened during resolution, I never have done a triple Xcross when making the cross or anything about making the white cross, my only description was that the blocks (three) of F2L dela cruz were made of white to finish (the F2L) with a RUR '(I've already posted on this forum).
Two. - "Not unlike any known solution method". Nowhere in the rules stipulate as to summon the cube or if the method must be known or if there should be random spins.
3. - "The proposed solution does not appear capable of executing in less than 4.41 seconds, as claimed by the competitor, because of the multiple turns on each face of the cube.". My reconstruction (as I said) I do not remember, I just felt very similar.

Finally, let's be frank. The tournament did not meet all the requirements of the WCA such as:
7c) Lighting of the competition area must pay special attention. Lighting should be neutral, so that competitors can easily distinguish between the colors of the puzzles.

7d +) PLUS The competition area temperature should be 21 to 25 degrees Celsius.
among others.

PS: Although a prepared solve .... possible http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPDKzn5C7-8

 

[hcfong]

Thanks for the explanation, Tyson.

 

[moralsh]

I haven't time to translate right now, but if someone is interested in clarifying a paragraph's translation I can help.

 

[LarsN]

This doesn't solve the issue at hand.

Simply don't start scrambling until all the cubes have been handed in. That solves the first scramble issue.

 

[TMOY]

I haven't time to translate right now, but if someone is interested in clarifying a paragraph's translation I can help.

Thanks, but I think it's already obvious that he's just making a lame attempt at victimizing himself and whining at how unfair the WCA is with him. Unfortunately for him that won't work. He cheated, he got caught, he's getting punished, period.

 

[Mirco]

I am impressed how well the google translator works these days, but I don't get that part:

A biological demonstration that relies on me would have been impossible to reach the 4.41 seconds.

Is he saying it is not possible for him to prove he is fast enough to do let's say two J-perms in under five seconds? Or that the WCA does not want him to? Google translate made this sentence weird (or it was in the beginning).