Marijuana - good or bad?

[qqwref]

Second, stop using unbased ad hominem attacks in your argument. Calling people idiots is not going to help your argument at all. Asking people what their qualification/experience to say something might be, or where they got some fact or statistic is fine, but calling people idiots is not.

Third, stop taking this argument so personally. Taking a debate personally is almost never beneficial, and that applies here.

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

Are you really sure you want to argue this?

 

[hawkmp4]

@ @Ethan- Of course there's a possibility that people will try weed then try, for example, heroin. But no more likely is that, than someone who tries heroin out of the blue. There's just no correlation.

I actually happen to disagree with this. I don't have a statistic handy, but I'd be very willing to bet that the first drug most heroin users tried was marijuana. That said though, I stand by my belief that the marijuana has nothing to do with the use of harder drugs, and it's a personal choice. From what I've seen/read about though, these people almost always start out with marijuana, but they personally made what is in my opinion the stupid choice to move on.

I know I said I was done, but you replied to my post before I edited it out so I feel compelled to answer that.
Yeah, you're right. That was poor wording/poor arguing on my part. I guess what I meant to say was that smoking marijuana does not change people's attitudes about other drugs. If someone is not going to smoke meth, for example, smoking weed isn't going to change that at all. Which is the opposite of which the (faulty) gateway drug theory says.

 

[Edward]

@ @Edward- Immature people like...you? "@QQFFEFEFERERERE:"

This is my first day of really getting my act straight and trying to be a better member of the forums. Yes my older posts were immature/unhelpful/etc. but I'm definitely changing now.

I'm sorry for the confusion, Edward, that was not about you in any way. My apologies. I was meaning to refer to his statement that was prefaced by @Edward. I didn't make that clear. No offense was meant to you- only Derrick. I meant that he was being hypocritical by whining about you misspelling his name accidentally when he clearly and deliberately misspelled qqwref's just a few posts earlier in the thread.

Oh OK. Apology accepted.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Second, stop using unbased ad hominem attacks in your argument. Calling people idiots is not going to help your argument at all. Asking people what their qualification/experience to say something might be, or where they got some fact or statistic is fine, but calling people idiots is not.

Third, stop taking this argument so personally. Taking a debate personally is almost never beneficial, and that applies here.

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

Are you really sure you want to argue this?

Did I actually call someone an idiot? and I'm not trying to use some type of worthless excuse like "I SAID MORON NOT IDIOT", just the fact that I didn't in anyway directly insult someone. NOR was I trying to sheepishly insult anyone behind their backs by saying "Potheads are morons", I think pot is a HORRIBLE decision, it's moronic in my mind because of the things I've mentioned. I said my opinion, and I got actually insulted by more than one person including you Michael.

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

 

[LewisJ]

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

2. I'm not taking this argument personally, I was just trying to express my opinion, and that I despise people who do weed, I think it's wrong and it changes people for the worse. Then people jumped on me, I continued to argue without becoming insulting by any means, then I got called an "idiot" more than once. :confused:

LewisJ and Edward, have I insulted them or been totally outrageous in my replies to them in any way? No, I wonder why.... Maybe because they can reply themselves in a mature and decent way...

Regardless of who started it, you don't need to continue it. If only one side shoots insults, it only makes that side look bad. If you stop, it is beneficial, no matter who threw the first insult. If the other side continues to insult you, it only makes them look worse. If they started it, again, it only makes them look worse, but replying with your own insults won't make you look any better.

I agree that you didn't take this argument personally at first, but after insults began to fly it looks like you started taking it very personally. Of course you're entitled to your opinion and have a right to express it, but try to do it without any personal involvement; you don't need to be involved with any insults, throwing or receiving. It simply does not contribute to any intelligent debate.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

2. I'm not taking this argument personally, I was just trying to express my opinion, and that I despise people who do weed, I think it's wrong and it changes people for the worse. Then people jumped on me, I continued to argue without becoming insulting by any means, then I got called an "idiot" more than once. :confused:

LewisJ and Edward, have I insulted them or been totally outrageous in my replies to them in any way? No, I wonder why.... Maybe because they can reply themselves in a mature and decent way...

Regardless of who started it, you don't need to continue it. If only one side shoots insults, it only makes that side look bad. If you stop, it is beneficial, no matter who threw the first insult. If the other side continues to insult you, it only makes them look worse. If they started it, again, it only makes them look worse, but replying with your own insults won't make you look any better.

I agree that you didn't take this argument personally at first, but after insults began to fly it looks like you started taking it very personally. Of course you're entitled to your opinion and have a right to express it, but try to do it without any personal involvement; you don't need to be involved with any insults, throwing or receiving. It simply does not contribute to any intelligent debate.

I don't just sit there and let people insult me nor ridicule my beliefs. Sorry LewisJ, I respect your posts and glad I can actually talk to you in a civil manner. I know it was not best to keep it up but Like I said I'm not going to be ganged up on. Also another reason why I took it so personally after being clearly insulted and ridiculed because of my Thoughts and beliefs.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

Anyone thinking about a little kid saying "He hit me first" or "He started it", when they read that post. Replying to someones foolishness (not calling anyone foolish, I dont even know where the original post is.) with the same foolishness only makes you look like a fool.

So let me get this straight... If I went outside, right now and say... attacked someone, stole from someone, they have NO RIGHT to be mad?
It's not whining, it's only common courtesy to not randomly insult others and show such disrespect. If I punch you in the face you have no right to want to punch me back? there is NO logic in that.... People can do whatever they want with no consequence?

 

[blade740]

Did I actually call someone an idiot? and I'm not trying to use some type of worthless excuse like "I SAID MORON NOT IDIOT", just the fact that I didn't in anyway directly insult someone. NOR was I trying to sheepishly insult anyone behind their backs by saying "Potheads are morons", I think pot is a HORRIBLE decision, it's moronic in my mind because of the things I've mentioned. I said my opinion, and I got actually insulted by more than one person including you Michael.

If that was your opinion you should've stated it like that. You should say "Potheads are making a moronic decision" THAT is a valid opinion. Making one bad decision doesn't make a person a moron, or a complete retard, or anything of the sort.

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

"He did it first" is never an excuse for an action that you yourself said is immature.

 

[qqwref]

Did I actually call someone an idiot? and I'm not trying to use some type of worthless excuse like "I SAID MORON NOT IDIOT", just the fact that I didn't in anyway directly insult someone. NOR was I trying to sheepishly insult anyone behind their backs by saying "Potheads are morons", I think pot is a HORRIBLE decision, it's moronic in my mind because of the things I've mentioned. I said my opinion, and I got actually insulted by more than one person including you Michael.

I don't get how you can not see that saying "potheads are morons" insults everyone who uses pot. Try this experiment: go up to a bunch of black people and say "I think black people are morons", or go up to a bunch of Mexicans and say "I think Mexicans are morons", or anything else in the same vein. See if they interpret it as an insult or just an "opinion" that isn't meant to directly insult anyone.

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

I meant that as a joke to point out how you spelled my name wrong. I guess I'd have to be a really immature person to enjoy making jokes, right? Or maybe it's just that you can't take a joke, even one that isn't intended maliciously and that doesn't contain anything that could be interpreted as an insult.

 

[blade740]

I don't just sit there and let people insult me nor ridicule my beliefs.
...
Also another reason why I took it so personally after being clearly insulted and ridiculed because of my Thoughts and beliefs.

You, in the third post in the topic, said "Potheads are morons" That is an insult to marijuana users, and ridicule of their thoughts and beliefs. Is it not?

 

[Edward]

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

2. I'm not taking this argument personally, I was just trying to express my opinion, and that I despise people who do weed, I think it's wrong and it changes people for the worse. Then people jumped on me, I continued to argue without becoming insulting by any means, then I got called an "idiot" more than once. :confused:

LewisJ and Edward, have I insulted them or been totally outrageous in my replies to them in any way? No, I wonder why.... Maybe because they can reply themselves in a mature and decent way...

Regardless of who started it, you don't need to continue it. If only one side shoots insults, it only makes that side look bad. If you stop, it is beneficial, no matter who threw the first insult. If the other side continues to insult you, it only makes them look worse. If they started it, again, it only makes them look worse, but replying with your own insults won't make you look any better.

I agree that you didn't take this argument personally at first, but after insults began to fly it looks like you started taking it very personally. Of course you're entitled to your opinion and have a right to express it, but try to do it without any personal involvement; you don't need to be involved with any insults, throwing or receiving. It simply does not contribute to any intelligent debate.

I don't just sit there and let people insult me nor ridicule my beliefs. Sorry LewisJ, I respect your posts and glad I can actually talk to you in a civil manner. I know it was not best to keep it up but Like I said I'm not going to be ganged up on. Also another reason why I took it so personally after being clearly insulted and ridiculed because of my Thoughts and beliefs.

I really don't see what your talking about. How are you being ganged up on? It is simply a few people who don't agree with your individual takes on the subject.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

@Blade: I agree, that would have been a better way to put it.
Also for the "he did it first" excuse part, read my above post.

@Michael: When Did I Misspell your name wrong? Also I admit I'm a sensitive person in life, but I can take a joke, as you can see when Blade said all canadians are morons. Plus spelling my name wrong on purpose I found just totally disrespectful and rude.

@Ed: I've been called an idiot by Ethan, Hawk, QQwerf Which I didn't think/or say any of them where. I can understand just arguing the subject, but when they started insulting, or throwing out childish insults, I don't take that sorry.

 

[BeautifullyDecayed.]

Oh my gosh - I am so over reading these now.
Derrick, you have like, wrecked this thread..
There is no point arguing, you aren't going to change peoples opinion and it's soo off topic its silly!

 

[Edward]

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

Anyone thinking about a little kid saying "He hit me first" or "He started it", when they read that post. Replying to someones foolishness (not calling anyone foolish, I dont even know where the original post is.) with the same foolishness only makes you look like a fool.

So let me get this straight... If I went outside, right now and say... attacked someone, stole from someone, they have NO RIGHT to be mad?
It's not whining, it's only common courtesy to not randomly insult others and show such disrespect. If I punch you in the face you have no right to want to punch me back? there is NO logic in that.... People can do whatever they want with no consequence?

Yes, my post was a little, eh... off. I deleted it, sorry.
Though I still meant what I said. If you stole from someone, they'd report you. If you attacked someone, they'd call the police. But you're right, if you came up and randomly punched me, we'd have a fight on our hands.

 

[LewisJ]

I don't just sit there and let people insult me nor ridicule my beliefs. Sorry LewisJ, I respect your posts and glad I can actually talk to you in a civil manner. I know it was not best to keep it up but Like I said I'm not going to be ganged up on. Also another reason why I took it so personally after being clearly insulted and ridiculed because of my Thoughts and beliefs.

Just calm down and remember that this is just a discussion on the internet - you have nothing to prove personally aside from your opinion, and nobody is going to think any less of you for not responding to insults with insults.

 

[BeautifullyDecayed.]

I agree with LewisJ.

 

[cmhardw]

:fp

Oh my holy God, can a mod please close this thread? Based on where this thread started and where it ended up, I think we can clearly say that it no longer serves a purpose on this forum. I, for one, was enjoying the discussion of how the thread started too.

Chris

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Oh my gosh - I am so over reading these now.
Derrick, you have like, wrecked this thread..
There is no point arguing, you aren't going to change peoples opinion and it's soo off topic its silly!

@Hawk: Are you serious? go a few posts back? I AM NEVER RANDOMLY RUDE TO PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. Michael purposely spelled my name wrong first so why should I sit here and take such disrespect.

Anyone thinking about a little kid saying "He hit me first" or "He started it", when they read that post. Replying to someones foolishness (not calling anyone foolish, I dont even know where the original post is.) with the same foolishness only makes you look like a fool.

So let me get this straight... If I went outside, right now and say... attacked someone, stole from someone, they have NO RIGHT to be mad?
It's not whining, it's only common courtesy to not randomly insult others and show such disrespect. If I punch you in the face you have no right to want to punch me back? there is NO logic in that.... People can do whatever they want with no consequence?

Yes, my post was a little, eh... off. I deleted it, sorry.

I don't just sit there and let people insult me nor ridicule my beliefs. Sorry LewisJ, I respect your posts and glad I can actually talk to you in a civil manner. I know it was not best to keep it up but Like I said I'm not going to be ganged up on. Also another reason why I took it so personally after being clearly insulted and ridiculed because of my Thoughts and beliefs.

Just calm down and remember that this is just a discussion on the internet - you have nothing to prove personally aside from your opinion, and nobody is going to think any less of you for not responding to insults with insults.

@Beautifully Decayed: I wasn't trying to change other peoples opinions at all, where did I tell others to stop smoking pot?

@LewisJ: Yeah LewisJ im calm, not like Im screaming at my computer screen while typing this, just replying like everyone else and have even apologized to some people on here throughout. And like I said i can't help it, I don't like being called an idiot just like I sure no one else does.

@Qqwref: I looked back and am sorry, I didn't know that I put Qqwerf instead of Qqwref, I actually thought it WAS Qqwerf and get it mixed up a lot.
My apologies

 

[Edward]

:fp

Oh my holy God, can a mod please close this thread? Based on where this thread started and where it ended up, I think we can clearly say that it no longer serves a purpose on this forum. I, for one, was enjoying the discussion of how the thread started too.

Chris

Aren't you a moderator? I'm confused now.

 

[cmhardw]

Aren't you a moderator? I'm confused now.

I have no mod powers in off topic.

Chris