Marijuana - good or bad?

[hawkmp4]

2. Most do, and do people going around like "WOAH MAN IM SO STONED HAHAHA SWEET LOLOLFOELFMEOFJEOMFEOJE" not seem moronic?

Is this coming from real witness, or the common stereotype?
I'm not trying to join this argument/discussion, Id just like to know.

Given the rest of Derrick's statements, it's pretty clear it's from the stereotype.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

2. You obviously have very very little experience with marijuana or people who use it.

3. Can you provide anything backing this up, or are you just going to make sweeping generalizations based on your opinion which isn't based on anything again?

4. What is wrong with doing something that I enjoy that doesn't in any way harm anyone?

2. Yeah I don't do drugs it's incredibly stupid, almost everyone at my school smoked pot.

3. Look how much family problems there are in the world now, plus I've had tons of experiences myself with parents who simply don't know how to raise their kids. They can't find a compromise between too hard/disciplining, or too easy on their child. Also you don't need me to tell you of all the **** you hear going on the world with some parents abusing their children etc, or not knowing what to do when getting pregnant (abortions)

4. Marijuana does harm people, do you really need me to explain how?
It may not be as bad but,

Impaired driving, for a LOT of people (yes I know not all) it turns them into a completely different person, getting addicted to other drugs, and I guarantee if it was legalized there would still be huge crimes involving weed and drug dealing etc, guess we'll have to wait to find out.

@Edmund: From every single person I've ever met/seen at school/around where I live that does smoke pot, yes it is pretty much is true.

@Blade: Your an idiot as well. Is this getting anywhere?

@QQFFEFEFERERERE: Why do I want respect from such immature/despicable people again?

 

[hawkmp4]

Are you REALLY attempting to make the gateway drug argument?
Reason number 5 that Derrick is an idiot.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

2. So bassically you don't know what you're talking about.

3. Once again, you are taking a TINY sample size and assuming that holds true everywhere. I would use an analogy about how you only hear about the soldiers who die in wars, but based on your past posts in this thread I highly doubt you would understand it.

4. A lot of things impair driving, and you shouldn't drive while under the influence of them. It's that simple. There is also no evidence whatsoever that marijuana use in anyway causes any addiction to anything else. Yes, there would still be illegal drug dealers selling illegal, but that's completely irrelevant.

 

[blade740]

3. Look how much family problems there are in the world now, plus I've had tons of experiences myself with parents who simply don't know how to raise their kids. They can't find a compromise between too hard/disciplining, or too easy on their child. Also you don't need me to tell you of all the **** you hear going on the world with some parents abusing their children etc, or not knowing what to do when getting pregnant (abortions)

None of this has anything to do with marijuana

Impaired driving

People who drive impaired are retarded, I agree.

for some a LOT of people (yes I know not all) it turns them into a completely different person

First of all, you're obviously exaggerating. Second, what's wrong with acting differently at times? I'm sure you are a "completely different person" when you're angry from when you're happy.

getting addicted to other drugs

Marijuana does not cause addiction to other drugs. Period.

and I guarantee if it was legalized there would still be huge crimes involving weed and drug dealing etc, guess we'll have to wait to find out.

If weed was legal what huge crimes could be committed? The biggest offenses would be selling to minors (which would and SHOULD still be illegal) and driving under the influence (again, still would be illegal)

Everyone's "teaming up on you" because you're not arguing logically. You're simply stating your opinions and insulting pretty much anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Are you REALLY attempting to make the gateway drug argument?
Reason number 5 that IM DUMB YOU'RE!!!!!!!!

2. So bassically you don't know what you're talking about.

3. Once again, you are taking a TINY sample size and assuming that holds true everywhere. I would use an analogy about how you only hear about the soldiers who die in wars, but based on your past posts in this thread I highly doubt you would understand it.

4. A lot of things impair driving, and you shouldn't drive while under the influence of them. It's that simple. There is also no evidence whatsoever that marijuana use in anyway causes any addiction to anything else. Yes, there would still be illegal drug dealers selling illegal, but that's completely irrelevant.

2. You have no idea what your talking about either, you high right now?

3. ....... Talk about narrow minded,

4. your HILARIOUS


@Blade: I didn't insult anyone besides making my statement "Potheads are morons" sorry that people are offended by that, I didn't mean it as a direct insult at ALL, and its my opinion. You did find it insulting but its still my opinion, i have to change it? it's like me MAKING people not do weed, they can do it for all I care.

I mentioned the parent thing also because Ethan started talking about a thread I made in the past and wanted me to back it up, plz read everything (not trying to sound insulting)

And you can honestly tell me NO ONE in the entire world had gone on to other drugs or become addicted after smoking weed?..... there are people who do it all my friend, and of course they start with weed, and if it makes them feel SOO GREAT, why not move onto other drugs?

 

[hawkmp4]

@QQFFEFEFERERERE: Why do I want respect from such immature/despicable people again?

Well...apparently you don't. Why don't you shut up and leave? This is embarrassing to see on a forum where usually people are so nice and intelligent.

 

[blade740]

@Blade: Your an idiot as well. Is this getting anywhere?

How about reading the rest of that post, instead of just addressing the part where I called you an idiot.

 

[Edward]

DerrickEide... You express decent points, the problem is that the way you PRESENT them is immature and quite frankly, worse than some new members. I'd think you'd learn by now.

You can have the greatest essay in the world, but it doesnt matter if you turn it in with sloppy handwriting.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

Derrick, the gateway drug theory has no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Your logic simply doesn't work. Just because someone smokes marijuana doesn't mean that they don't know that drugs like heroin are bad for them...

 

[Derrick Eide17]

@QQFFEFEFERERERE: Why do I want respect from such immature/despicable people again?

Well...apparently you don't. Why don't you shut up and leave? This is embarrassing to see on a forum where usually people are so nice and intelligent.

@Blade: Your an idiot as well. Is this getting anywhere?

How about reading the rest of that post, instead of just addressing the part where I called you an idiot.

DerrickEddie... You express decent points, the problem is that the way you PRESENT them is immature and quite frankly, worse than some new members. I'd thin you'd learn by now.

You can have the greatest essay in the world, but it doesnt matter if you turn it in with sloppy handwriting.

@Hawk: OMG USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!! LOL NOOB! yeah people are really nice on here....

@Blade: Why am I interested in what else someone has to say when they are so rude/insulting when I did nothing to them first of all?

@Edward: My name is spelled Derrick Eide, don't know if you misspelled it on purpose or not cause apparently there are immature people like that on here. Also there are people WAY more immature than me on here trust me, You get what you give, and frankly I am NOT rude to any person unless they are rude to me first. I can handle myself maturely with only mature people though.

@Ethan: Please I need you to answer this, to make sure you are actually for real. You can actually say to me, that there is no possibility of people moving onto other drugs after trying weed?

 

[LewisJ]

Derrick - I'm not going to pick any side in this argument, I enjoy reading this thread as it is generally a good discussion, but having read the last few pages, I have to ask that you argue more coherently.

First, read over your posts after you type them. Use proper English - this means "you're" instead of "your" in sentences like "Your an idiot as well."

Second, stop using unbased ad hominem attacks in your argument. Calling people idiots is not going to help your argument at all. Asking people what their qualification/experience to say something might be, or where they got some fact or statistic is fine, but calling people idiots is not.

Third, stop taking this argument so personally. Taking a debate personally is almost never beneficial, and that applies here.

Fourth, slow down in your replies and instead make more fleshed out responses. They will be more substantial in your argument, make the discussion more interesting, and give you a chance to express your reasonable opinion and cite sources rather than argue with insults and generalizations. Just be more careful and think your posts out more and this thread will get much better.

That's all.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

Of course there is a possibility of people who use weed moving on to other drugs. Nobody wakes up one day after a lifetime of sobriety and says, "I think I'm gonna shoot up heroin today." That doesn't change the fact that it is a personal choice, the marijuana didn't actually cause that...

 

[Edward]

@Edward: My name is spelled Derrick Eide, don't know if you misspelled it on purpose or not cause apparently there are immature people like that on here. Also there are people WAY more immature than me on here trust me, You get what you give, and frankly I am NOT rude to any person unless they are rude to me first. I can handle myself maturely with only mature people though.

1.My bad, It looks like Derick eddie. Hold on Ill edit it...

2. Then do that here.

Oh no, I think I've joined this argument. Time to put on the logic cap.

 

[hawkmp4]

EDIT: No, I'm done here. I can't handle this idiot any longer. Good luck to you all. I'll be lurking.

 

[blade740]

@Blade: Your an idiot as well. Is this getting anywhere?

How about reading the rest of that post, instead of just addressing the part where I called you an idiot.

@Blade: Why am I interested in what else someone has to say when they are so rude/insulting when I did nothing to them first of all?

1) You insulted me. You flat-out said "all potheads are morons" before I said a WORD to you.
2) I apologize. I shouldn't have brought personal attacks into this debate. However, I'd still like you to read the rest of my post, where I presented my views, my impression of your views, and gave a few concrete facts.

@everyone in this topic:
Please, try to stay on topic. We're not here to debate on Derrick's debate skills. I believe we can still have a meaningful debate if everyone (ON BOTH SIDES) can stop trying to discredit each other and start talking about the topic at hand.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Derrick - I'm not going to pick any side in this argument, I enjoy reading this thread as it is generally a good discussion, but having read the last few pages, I have to ask that you argue more coherently.

First, read over your posts after you type them. Use proper English - this means "you're" instead of "your" in sentences like "Your an idiot as well."

Second, stop using unbased ad hominem attacks in your argument. Calling people idiots is not going to help your argument at all. Asking people what their qualification/experience to say something might be, or where they got some fact or statistic is fine, but calling people idiots is not.

Third, stop taking this argument so personally. Taking a debate personally is almost never beneficial, and that applies here.

Fourth, slow down in your replies and instead make more fleshed out responses. They will be more substantial in your argument, make the discussion more interesting, and give you a chance to express your reasonable opinion and cite sources rather than argue with insults and generalizations. Just be more careful and think your posts out more and this thread will get much better.

That's all.

1. You might want to tell that to other on here first though, I wasn't the one who started the "idiot" insults etc.

2. I'm not taking this argument personally, I was just trying to express my opinion, and that I despise people who do weed, I think it's wrong and it changes people for the worse. Then people jumped on me, I continued to argue without becoming insulting by any means, then I got called an "idiot" more than once. :confused:

LewisJ and Edward, have I insulted them or been totally outrageous in my replies to them in any way? No, I wonder why.... Maybe because they can reply themselves in a mature and decent way...

@Blade: I apologize as well then.

@Ethan: The weed played a part though did it not?

 

[Edward]

@ @Edward- Immature people like...you? "@QQFFEFEFERERERE:"

This is my first day of really getting my act straight and trying to be a better member of the forums. Yes my older posts were immature/unhelpful/etc. but I'm definitely changing now.

 

[Ethan Rosen]

@ @Ethan- Of course there's a possibility that people will try weed then try, for example, heroin. But no more likely is that, than someone who tries heroin out of the blue. There's just no correlation.

I actually happen to disagree with this. I don't have a statistic handy, but I'd be very willing to bet that the first drug most heroin users tried was marijuana. That said though, I stand by my belief that the marijuana has nothing to do with the use of harder drugs, and it's a personal choice. From what I've seen/read about though, these people almost always start out with marijuana, but they personally made what is in my opinion the stupid choice to move on.

 

[hawkmp4]

@ @Edward- Immature people like...you? "@QQFFEFEFERERERE:"

This is my first day of really getting my act straight and trying to be a better member of the forums. Yes my older posts were immature/unhelpful/etc. but I'm definitely changing now.

I'm sorry for the confusion, Edward, that was not about you in any way. My apologies. I was meaning to refer to his statement that was prefaced by @Edward. I didn't make that clear. No offense was meant to you- only Derrick. I meant that he was being hypocritical by whining about you misspelling his name accidentally when he clearly and deliberately misspelled qqwref's just a few posts earlier in the thread.