Lubix Fusion?

[MovingOnUp]

So what are the differences between the Ultimate Lubix ZhanChi and the Lubix Fusion?
Isn't the Lubix fusion just trying to turn a guhong into a zhanchi?
I'm trynig to decide which one to buy here, and I'm not sure why I should select the Fusion.

They both have a different feel that is a preference to each individual cuber. So usually if you like the guhong then you can upgrade it and make it even better unless you like the zhanchi. Plus you can take the torpedoes in and out on the Fusion

 

[jskyler91]

They both have a different feel that is a preference to each individual cuber. So usually if you like the guhong then you can upgrade it and make it even better unless you like the zhanchi. Plus you can take the torpedoes in and out on the Fusion

You can take the torpedoes out on a Zhanchi too

 

[MovingOnUp]

You can take the torpedoes out on a Zhanchi too

sorry let me revise that, but the guhong was meant for torpedoes taken out and was upgraded wth them whereas the zhanchi was meant to have the torpedoes in but you can sort of, idk?, downgrade?

 

[RyanReese09]

Guhong wasn't meant to have them taken out. The designers just didn't think of them when making the guhong.

 

[ElectricDoodie]

the guhong was meant for torpedoes taken out

No.

Like Ryan said, GuHongs weren't made for the torpedoes to be taken out. In fact, they weren't made for torpedoes, period.

So basically, it's the Tribox Innov project, but by people we will actually buy cubes from?

Yes.
I've been wondering if all he did was take the Tribox Innov mod, and change the name to Fusion.

 

[Tall5001]

So what are the differences between the Ultimate Lubix ZhanChi and the Lubix Fusion?
Isn't the Lubix fusion just trying to turn a guhong into a zhanchi?
I'm trynig to decide which one to buy here, and I'm not sure why I should select the Fusion.

Well the Ultimate Zhanchi is a well Zhanchi and the Lubix Fusion is a Ultimate Gu hong with torpedos specifically made for the gu hong.

The Gu hong is a very sturdy cube and is overall just great. the Zhanchi is very is very springy. I like both probably the Fusion better because it doesnt pop but either way you can go bad. On my youtube you can see my review of the Zhanchi its great.

Yes.
I've been wondering if all he did was take the Tribox Innov mod, and change the name to Fusion.

No he cut and put the torpedos the day he received his first lunhui. Saw them and modded then used them it just has taken 2-3 months to produce his own

 

[MovingOnUp]

just forget what i said about the guhong/zhanchi thing haha

 

[Pixel 6]

Now that I have them released, I can clear things up.

On April 19th, I received 2 LunHui cubes in the mail. I did the first US review on that cube in the afternoon. That evening, I modified the wings on the LunHui torpedos, and fit the torpedos into me ELITE. Bliss.

I saw the potential in the modded pieces, and the following morning, I was at a injection molding company getting cad drawings done to fit them for both the GuHong and LingYun.

Before getting the tool made, I had a few 3D test pieces made with a technique called SLA. I heard a few weeks after starting, that other people were discussing the idea, and Tall5001 urged me to hurry up! Shortly after that I showed him the prototypes. I also had them in my cube at the Kansas Comp... Which was really hard to keep secret lol.

A while after, I saw the first 2 videos on YouTube appear on the idea. Then Yu Nakagima did his video on the mod, and it became really popular.

Because I was planning on releasing them, and if I released the details too soon it would stop my business because of people anticipating it's release, I was vague to what I was working on, and kept moving forward on the project.

For what it's worth, I had the process started weeks before anyone even mentioned the idea. (I watched for this topic daily)

But, others brought it to light and shared the idea with others. And people should be thankful for that. I would have shared the idea, had I not decided to produce ones for the other cubes, but clearly I had different plans.

I'm still in persuit of the perfect cube, and it's getting close. A perfect core, (billet aluminum) is the next goal. If all goes well with people supporting the Fusion / Torpedo idea, my next project is the core. Like everything else, time will tell.

So now there are a few ways to make the GuHong greater... Modded edges to get LunHui pieces to fit (hard way, but keeps both cubes functional), modding LunHui Torpedos (fairly simple, cut the wings off, do some trimming on the torpedos and the edges - at the expense of your LunHui), and my Torpedos (fairly easy to clean up the edges... LingYun pieces fit with no modding).

So yea, IMO all of the Dayan cubes are great. And thats including the LingYun now... But the ELITE (w/torpedos) is still my favorite cube... And will be hard to beat.
Happy cubing,

- Pixel -

 

[Pazuzu]

I've often thought about an aluminium core, machined to be perfect on each axis. I can't see how it won't be anything other than hideously expensive to develop and produce without resorting to casting, which will have the same issues with accuracy as plastic moulds only much more costly. But I suppose if people are already paying $125 and up for your modded GuHong, someone will probably pay double that for one with an aluminium core.

 

[MovingOnUp]

I've often thought about an aluminium core, machined to be perfect on each axis. I can't see how it won't be anything other than hideously expensive to develop and produce without resorting to casting, which will have the same issues with accuracy as plastic moulds only much more costly. But I suppose if people are already paying $125 and up for your modded GuHong, someone will probably pay double that for one with an aluminium core.

that would be pretty awesome though . I kinda wanna just see someone buy it so i can watch the review lol

 

[achilles308]

Because I was planning on releasing them, and if I released the details too soon it would stop my business because of people anticipating it's release, I was vague to what I was working on, and kept moving forward on the project.


I'm still in persuit of the perfect cube, and it's getting close. A perfect core, (billet aluminum) is the next goal.
- Pixel -

I appreciate the update! That certainly makes more sense looking back.

An aluminum core would be amazing! Perfect axes every time! I wonder if it would be possible to coat the core and the center piece (where they touch) with Teflon or something else to make it buttery slippery. Teflon on Teflon with Lubix... it would free spin for hours! That setup might actually make a cube legitimately too fast!

One advantage of a aluminum core would be the reusability... you could pop it into any cube at any time. You could unscrew it, clean all the pieces, and screw it back in with no problems. The thing is, the screws would have to perfectly match the threaded holes. I'd probably pay no more than $10 for an aluminum core with the hardware...

 

[RaresB]

Excuse me if im totally wrong but wouldnt an aluminium core make the cube heavier. For some people that may be a drawback and it would be quite heavy when paired up with other parts such as torpedoes and more things to come. (please correct me if im wrong)

 

[da25centz]

Excuse me if im totally wrong but wouldnt an aluminium core make the cube heavier. For some people that may be a drawback and it would be quite heavy when paired up with other parts such as torpedoes and more things to come. (please correct me if im wrong)

yes, but not that much. As metals go, aluminum is very light

 

[Nopedk]

Excuse me if im totally wrong but wouldnt an aluminium core make the cube heavier. For some people that may be a drawback and it would be quite heavy when paired up with other parts such as torpedoes and more things to come. (please correct me if im wrong)

Not really, since aluminium is very light, I'm not even sure if you would be able to feel the difference.

 

[achilles308]

Aluminium is pretty light... and you could machine it in some pretty cool ways to help eliminate some weight (if the weight was even a problem).

I suspect a heavier core might actually feel better. The heavier core would add some weight towards the center of the cube. Any added weight in the core of the cube, would not change the rotational inertia of the layers. In other words, the cube would weigh more, but the turning of the layers would feel the same. To repeat it another way, the cube would not slow down due to the added weight.

The problem with heavy cubes, in my opinion, isn't the cubes overall weight (we can all lift them...). It's where the weight is. A heavy cube, currently, has the weight mostly in the hardware, edges and corners. This creates rotational inertia which makes it feel slow and hard to turn (all other things being equal... of course cubie design factors in too).

Eventually, by design or sheer luck, we'll get a heavy core with lighter edges and corners... and it'll blow everything out of the water. The low rotational inertia would allow the layers to fly by.

The problem with light cubes, in my opinion, is that you lose control of the cube because you just don't feel it enough. I haven't yet ordered my Alpha CC, but it would be a great cube to try the heavy core light pieces hypothesis out on.

I've always loved the quality of the plastic from Alpha... if only Dayan could get Alpha plastic... oh well, maybe someday!

 

[Ltsurge]

Aluminium is pretty light... and you could machine it in some pretty cool ways to help eliminate some weight (if the weight was even a problem).

I suspect a heavier core might actually feel better. The heavier core would add some weight towards the center of the cube. Any added weight in the core of the cube, would not change the rotational inertia of the layers. In other words, the cube would weigh more, but the turning of the layers would feel the same. To repeat it another way, the cube would not slow down due to the added weight.

The problem with heavy cubes, in my opinion, isn't the cubes overall weight (we can all lift them...). It's where the weight is. A heavy cube, currently, has the weight mostly in the hardware, edges and corners. This creates rotational inertia which makes it feel slow and hard to turn (all other things being equal... of course cubie design factors in too).

Eventually, by design or sheer luck, we'll get a heavy core with lighter edges and corners... and it'll blow everything out of the water. The low rotational inertia would allow the layers to fly by.

The problem with light cubes, in my opinion, is that you lose control of the cube because you just don't feel it enough. I haven't yet ordered my Alpha CC, but it would be a great cube to try the heavy core light pieces hypothesis out on.

I've always loved the quality of the plastic from Alpha... if only Dayan could get Alpha plastic... oh well, maybe someday!

visit my cube design thread maybe ill make it with an aluminium core

 

[minime12358]

Ok, I just got my fusion today.

It is AWESOME.

I will post my unboxing/ comparison to ultimate lunhui/regular zhan chi

 

[Tall5001]

I think that the price the Aluminum core will be will be like 10-20 dollars just because they would cost so much to manufacture but i know i would buy one for all my main speed cubes!

 

[Jungleterrain]

Carbon fiber core

 

[Erdos]

Still in total anticipation for the Lubix Zhanchi. I've only seen one youtube review on it and it gave it a bad review for its 'gummy feeling.' I sure hope I don't end up returning it!