Lubix Fusion?

So in that way it's better worht to buy the 8cc, sorta marketing, in a sence. He is not doing that for money, but in a sence, you don't want to loose money, and to do that it take a lot of spare time.
Marketing can be something like 2cc for 6.5 . 4cc for 2 dollars less than 2 times 2cc , i.e 11, and similarly 20 dollars for 8cc so that even if someone doesnt buy much of it, he feels he has not missed out so much.
This is just a way of tempting anyone very badly who buys lubix into buying an 8cc one. I ordered myself an 8cc one a week back.
In no ways i m against lubix or anything, just saying .
 
Just sayin, I don't think lubix's prices are that ridiculous. Ok, the lube itself may be a little pricy, but an ultimate guhong is only $8 more than a normal guhong. So you pay $8 to have it lubed well, tensioned, and the edge mod done to it. Sure, it's not super cheap, but for people like me who can barely even tension a cube well, it's worth it. If other people want to do the mod and stuff themselves, go ahead and do it. But there's nothing wrong with paying people $8 to do it for them.
 
I am finally an OP of a successful thread!

I have ordered 4cc of lubix twice, and ordered an ultimate lunhui, and I only have good things to say about them.

I hate when people complain about lubix, Donovan, and the prices. Just deal with it.
 
To clear things up, not being in it for the money and not wanting to lose money are COMPLETELY different things. So many of you assume that he's greedy because he charges. A man has to live. If you don't like his products, don't buy them. Kinda disappointed in a few people at their harsh reactions to Donovan.
 
To clear things up, not being in it for the money and not wanting to lose money are COMPLETELY different things. So many of you assume that he's greedy because he charges. A man has to live. If you don't like his products, don't buy them. Kinda disappointed in a few people at their harsh reactions to Donovan.

I agree completely. Lubix may be slightly overpriced, but it is the best thing out there. If you want to be the best speedcuber, use the best supplies and deal with it.
 
...but it is the best thing out there.

That's the problem: most people don't see a (noticeable, consequential) difference between 50K diff. oil and Lubix. Why charge so much compared to other products for almost no difference?
 
WOW, that was intense!!!! I think both tall and Jyh are making since, but for different reasons. Tall considers all that Donovan has done and the hard work he puts in and then looks at the 25 dollar price tag and thinks it to be very charitable and I would agree to that. Jyh is pointing out however, that paying over 20 dollars for a cube is kind of ridiculous no matter who made it or what they did to it and i would agree to that as well.

I think you guys just need to agree to disagree neither of you is completely right and there is no point in arguing about who is. Jyh, Tall can defend something he feels is great any time it is challenged if he wants to just as many would defend their religious beliefs int he same situation. Tall, Jyh is just pointing out some issues that he sees in buying a 25 dollar cube.

Lets all just chill
 
The samething? The feeling maybe, their an reason because people that put oil as lube. In a way or another the shock oil is in base an oil, right? The cube reatic diffrently after time, with oil, or silicone.
 
That's the problem: most people don't see a (noticeable, consequential) difference between 50K diff. oil and Lubix. Why charge so much compared to other products for almost no difference?

Yes, obviously that is the main concern, but it happens all the time. For example, if you buy a name brand "Nike" shirt versus maybe a "Hanes" (or other type of shirt?). It is arguable they both serve the same purpose and there isn't much of a difference, but Nike almost always has higher prices. Why? Because they are supposed to be the best quality and have a reputation that allows them to make it high prices and still sell. Is that always right? Probably not.

since here are too many lubix users I wanted to know how many times can I lube a Vcube 7 with the lubix 2cc??

Thanks in advance

This made me lol. random? post your question here : http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...ne-answer-question-thread&p=596543#post596543
 
Yes, obviously that is the main concern, but it happens all the time. For example, if you buy a name brand "Nike" shirt versus maybe a "Hanes" (or other type of shirt?). It is arguable they both serve the same purpose and there isn't much of a difference, but Nike almost always has higher prices. Why? Because they are supposed to be the best quality and have a reputation that allows them to make it high prices and still sell. Is that always right? Probably not.

I can understand buying something that has a good reputation, or even just supporting the seller, but that still doesn't explain your statement:

If you want to be the best speedcuber, use the best supplies and deal with it.

I don't believe that just because something has a good reputation means that it is "better" than something else. It also doesn't automatically make you the best speedcuber if you use a particular product.
 
Tall5001, you act as if you're his spokesperson. You might want to confirm that what you said is true before saying it.
(In regards to the "He doesn't do it for the money, he does it to be nice" etc)

As for all this discussion about it, if you think it's overhyped, don't participate in the hype.
If you think it's not worth it, don't buy it.
If you think it's the best thing in the world, buy one.

Nuff said?

He knows Donvan in real life. He's got a primary source for what he says.
 
WOW, that was intense!!!! I think both tall and Jyh are making sence, but for different reasons. Tall considers all that Donovan has done and the hard work he puts in and then looks at the 25 dollar price tag and thinks it to be very charitable and I would agree to that. Jyh is pointing out however, that paying over 20 dollars for a cube is kind of ridiculous no matter who made it or what they did to it and i would agree to that as well.

I think you guys just need to agree to disagree neither of you is completely right and there is no point in arguing about who is. Jyh, Tall can defend something he feels is great any time it is challenged if he wants to just as many would defend their religious beliefs int he same situation. Tall, Jyh is just pointing out some issues that he sees in buying a 25 dollar cube.

Lets all just chill

agreed im done. I wasnt trying to start something like this. I just wanted to know what and why he had to always be so negative to something that he doesnt like, if he doesnt like it ignore it. And it is sorta like religion and the agument ends up the same you agree to disagree thanks jskyler91 you make a great point and a great way to end this. but i agree with collinbxy "I hate when people complain about lubix, Donovan, and the prices. Just deal with it." and thats why i defend him like this. Thanks again!
 
Well, I'm not very active in posting here, but figured I'd come by and give a few words.

Lubix History:
Not sure if anyone knows, but next week is the one year anniversary for Lubix. (July 17th), 2 days before my birthday, Yay!
Last year at this time I was just introducing my silicone to the cubing world... which was immediately pounced upon and torn apart by pretty much everybody. Come a year later... the attacks still continue, but the difference is that now a lot of people have found good results with my silicone on various puzzles, using what was at the time an unpopular method of "lube the core".

Thanks to Patrick Kelly motivating me to join him, and Tyson Mao for letting my launch my silicone at US Nationals 2010... flash forward a year, and I'm a sponsor of the US Nationals 2011 this year. I'm giving away over 60 various puzzles for prizes every event, and all 3 places. Also I'm donating over 60 silicone, several ELITE cubes as well as percentage of my sales to help make competitions like this one happen. I've been to a bunch of competitions now, and having prizes to win definitely make the events more fun. I'm grateful to be in a position to make such an impact on the biggest US competition of the year, as well as the smaller ones that lead up to it. (Especially after only being in business a year.) So for those of you who have supported my business and my ideas, Thank You.

Let's see...
After getting amazing results with using my lube on the GuHong shortly after it came out, and stumbling upon the best way to lube them because of the annoying spring squeak, the Ultimate Lubix GuHong has become the main for a lot of people, and made it's way to the worlds fastest cube. This also set a precedence for our business, that we are only interested in releasing the best products possible to customers. This is why we have stuck with the Dayan company who has some pretty amazing designs. Our interest in selling "the best" should be apparent by us not selling another Dayan cube the "LingYun" because of popping problems.

The ELITE:
I went nuts on modifying my own cube, and experimented with every modification I could think of. This lead to the ELITE. By popular demand I introduced them to my website... which was immediately a bad idea because I couldn't keep up with the demand. Choosing to go with the eBay auction route has caused the cube to go pretty high in price, but also keep the building of them manageable for Ben and I. I'm personally still using the same one I made 8 months ago or so, and love it. I can guarantee you that you can quadruple the prices they fetch on eBay, and I wouldn't sell my personal ELITE for that price. To sum it up, you get what you pay for.

The products I sell are top shelf, and unless we think it's worth using ourselves, we simply won't sell them. Keep in mind I can get any cube or puzzle from my distributer, but I choose to mod Dayan cubes because people like those cubes and appreciate our work. Believe me that it would be much easier to simply buy all kinds of cubes in bulk, and re-sell them in without doing any work to them... there's quite a few reputable companies already doing so. What Ben and I do, anyone else could do... but on a big scale, other stores would have a rough time working this business model in addition to resale.

I speak with Tall5001 pretty often about what goes on in the Lubix world, so for the most part if he has a comment about Lubix, it's generally accurate. He's trustworthy, and I enjoy sharing what ideas we have with someone who is objective, has good opinions and ideas, and respects my confidentiality. People either love us, or hate us. There's a handful of people that defend Lubix, because they quite simply are defending themselves because they have gotten good results with Lubix products. People that tend to oppose Lubix (not everyone) do so because they have not used our cubes or lube, and join on the band wagon of "too expensive, or ripoff". Which is a bit harsh. I have a money back guarantee, if anyone felt ripped off, they could simply ask for a refund. Ripping off someone who has never bought anything from us seems to be unfair, and the idea of defending this mentality is both exhausting and futile. I'm not interested in defending every decision we make with our business... so I simply won't.

New Lubix things:
I've been testing a version of the Fusion for a few months now... and it's simply perfect. However, the manufacturing for the Fusion is not ready yet. It's close though. I've been pushing my manufacturer to get it finished, but even now today he said that it would be ready on Tuesday instead of Monday. Unfortunately I have a full Audio Engineering schedule this up and coming week so even having the time to pick up the Fusion, get everything packaged, and getting the website updated will be a task. It looks like the earliest I'll release it and start taking orders is Wednesday. I need the finished product in hand to do the videos, so I want to get things like that done first. Sorry in advance to anyone who will feel ripped off at the price. Yes, I am in business like anybody else to make a profit. But how someone runs a business can say a lot about their morals. What I have planned for my profits is to keep introducing things that cubers will benefit from. An idea without means stops most people from taking action. I'm privileged to have both. I'm not a big company, but I feel with the help of people around me (especially Ben!) we can make a positive impact to the cubing community. I enjoy cubing, and simply want to become the best I can. If our products help other people feel the same way, mission accomplished.

I wanted to let those of you who are waiting, that the ZhanChi's were shipped out to me 2 days ago, and it usually takes a week at best for my cubes to come in from Hong Kong. Once they are in I'll update my site with pricing, pictures, etc. The preparation for the cubes (Turning them into Ultimates by assembling them, doing the 48 point edge mod, lubing them from the inside-out, tensioning and stickering.) should be the same amount of work as the LunHui, so expect the price to be the same at $21.99. I don't like the idea of doing pre-orders like other companies do. So when they are actually in my hands, I will put them up for sale.

Not sure really where to end this banter... but I guess I'll leave it at this.
Lubix is 2 people, so please try to bear with us. We strive to work at 100%, but Lubix is a 7 day a week business, and at times we have to prioritize to keep things moving. To read people arguing over semantics frustrates us because we take pride in our work. The 2 of us have built thousands of cubes... stop for a moment and really consider what dedication that takes. Could you do it? There's tons of things that we are doing to make our business more efficient, but all things take time. Running a business like this is not easy, but we do our best, and look forward to what the future may bring.


- FIN -

After coming across the thread where people were making a joke about a cube better than the ELITE... I had my designer work up some new stickers for me: I'll have them Monday.
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I'm also looking at changing up the center logo stickers a bit... the word "Lubix" is behind the logo. Do you guys like it this way, or does the normal way with the word "Lubix" in front of the logo look better.
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Lastly, I pretty much wrote this here so that I don't need to update my website today, and then again on Wednesday.

Everyone take care, and know I'll release the Fusion as soon as possible.

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I can guarantee you that you can quadruple the prices they fetch on eBay
So if we buy it for $100, you have to buy it back from us for $400 (unless you can organise another buyer) or else we can sue?

I'm also looking at changing up the center logo stickers a bit... the word "Lubix" is behind the logo. Do you guys like it this way, or does the normal way with the word "Lubix" in front of the logo look better.
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Perhaps you should put it in front, then raise the prices by $50 for the added value.
 
Donovan meant that with the Elite, it has a personal value greater than the purchase price. I believe what he means is that even if the cube cost him $100... If you tried to buy that Elite, his personal main, for $400.... He would reject that offer. To him his Elite is worth more than $400. Not everybody would have the exact outlook as Donovan on this, but I think it is reasonable to say that people hold a higher value for their cube than what they payed. For example, before my father passed away he gave me a necklace that he bought for $5... If i somehow lost this necklace. I would stop at nothing to get it back. Its worth $5, but to me it has a limitless value. Im sure that everybody has something they possess that is worth more to them than its purchase price. This is the point that, while not as extreme, that Donovan made.

As for as the stickers...
This is the first time I have seen anything of it, and I live/work with Donovan.
My personal opinion is that it looks cool, and give a feeling of depth to the sticker. There is nothing wrong with the way that the stickers are it is just an idea that Donovan had, that he thought would be cool.
Personally I like it. It looks nice and clean. Simple as that. I vote for it.

I do know that Donovan ultimately wants to get rid of the word Lubix on his center stickers and simply go with the chevron logo to identify the product.
This would be the cleanest way to brand an item. The Nike Swoosh, the Olympic Rings, the Mercedes Emblem, or the Apple logo... These are all perfect examples. The idea of putting the Lubix letters behind the chevron is a step towards that direction. I personally support this idea and think that a clean symbol that is related with Lubix is a good idea, letters are majorly ugly.
 
first logo looks kind of kindergarten.
Second one looks more 'pro' for business.
 
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