LHC didn't kill us yet

pcharles93 said:
CAT13 said:
Erik said:
I think that once we found out the magic in the brains we could possibly make a similair construction in computers, although I doubt that this is a wanted thing to happen.
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I don't see why you wouldn't want it to happen.
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Have you even seen "I, Robot"?
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They are just computers. Its not like you are going to stick some arms and legs on it and give it a freaken gun. If Erik would have said "we could possible make a similair construction in robots, although I doubt that this is a wanted thing to happen," than I would totally agree. But it's just a computer, and computers without appendages can't do much harm.
 
Alright, even if we can model a human brain with a computer, and it was infinitely intelligent, however you want to define that...
It STILL needs to do experiments. One can postulate as much as he likes, it means jack without support.
 
Firstly, consider this: A smart computer might realise it has a bomb attached to it and disarm it. Secondly, if the computer got access to the internet it could download itself onto a computer in a car manufacturing building, and make a robot out of the materials. What I'm trying to say is, Erik is right in that it might be a threat. This is why a lot of philosophers are saying to stop, before it's too late. Personally, I don't care if it destroys the whole earth, so I'm all for it :) .

Mr. Laire: In modern theories of cognition quite a bit is known about how the learning process (of language) works. There are a few varying theories, but they could certainly be tried, and tweaked as necessary. Implementing it may be as simple as having a microphone and a few "innate" processes in the computer so that it learns, and attempts to speak, what it is hearing. It just depends on the specific details of how much innate knowledge the robot needs, which can be a matter of trial and error.
 
Dene said:
Secondly, if the computer got access to the internet it could download itself onto a computer in a car manufacturing building, and make a robot out of the materials. What I'm trying to say is, Erik is right in that it might be a threat. This is why a lot of philosophers are saying to stop, before it's too late. Personally, I don't care if it destroys the whole earth, so I'm all for it :)
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Firstly, computers aren't allowed on the internet without adult supervision. Secondly, I think that if there was any suspicion about such a thing happening, the computer would always be monitored (monitor, lol) anyway, the computer would always be monitored and never be connected to the internet without being watched. And make sure that it does NOT have wireless internet and the wired internet is always unplugged when not in use. Muahaha I just solved all your problems
 
Lol? You're joking right? We're talking about a computer that is smarter than all the humans in the world put together multiplied my infinity. Do you honestly think you could stop it?
 
Lol? I have a feeling this computer would have a different power source than to a simple plug. Remember, it is effectively a biological organism.
 
Then smash it to pieces :D

On a more serious note, I think that many people do not realize that the LHC and similar endeavors really can contribute to the solution of many global problems. For one thing, being able to understand quantum mechanics and similar sciences is essential to producing faster and better computers (quantum computers).

Once we can make these good enough, all sorts of other research will be able to progress. Cancer research, AIDS, you name it. For example, I remember a few years ago seeing some kind of global network that PS3 owners could connect to in order to contribute to cancer research or something. Millions of people were connected from all over the world at any given time, donating some of their processing power to whatever research facility. Just imagine what kind of processing power research facilities around the world will have access to if we can figure out how to make quantum computers, and the vast things they will be able to do with this enormous processing power.

So for all of you that are saying that the LHC is useless to the common population, and that we should be more focused on more commonplace global problems, you are wrong. The LHC is really the first step toward solving many of these other issues.

On another note, I don't think it will ever be possible for us to create any machine that can outsmart us. Sure, they can do stuff loads faster than we can, but thats just speed, not ability. No matter what you do, a computer can only execute instructions, exactly what you give it. If I were to tell you to go to the bank, withdraw 10$, then come back and you were forced to follow my instructions exactly without doing anything else, how could you possibly make your own decisions? Computers are machines, we are humans. By definition, humans are conscious, machines are not.

-Alexei
 
CAT13, when you come to your warm home today and make yourself dinner with that stove or microwave, then sit behind your computer and check your email, dont forget to realize that all of this comfort came to you from science. You seem to be taking it all for granted. All of these things were at one point or another "cutting edge physics".

"Instead lets all throw money at children in Africa"
Great fu**** solution. good job
 
CAT13 said:
Dene said:
Secondly, if the computer got access to the internet it could download itself onto a computer in a car manufacturing building, and make a robot out of the materials. What I'm trying to say is, Erik is right in that it might be a threat. This is why a lot of philosophers are saying to stop, before it's too late. Personally, I don't care if it destroys the whole earth, so I'm all for it :)
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Firstly, computers aren't allowed on the internet without adult supervision. Secondly, I think that if there was any suspicion about such a thing happening, the computer would always be monitored (monitor, lol) anyway, the computer would always be monitored and never be connected to the internet without being watched. And make sure that it does NOT have wireless internet and the wired internet is always unplugged when not in use. Muahaha I just solved all your problems
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I have dealt with a few laptops that, if you don't enter the boot password in correctly, it connects to some security company and alerts them of unauthorized attempts at entering the laptop. Plus, why build a computer that smart if it has to be watched all the time? And, even if it is connected to the internet, do you think it will tell the supervisor "I'm connecting to the internet to access a line of assembly robots to build a new casing for me"? Computers do a lot of things without telling us.
 
Numegil, our brain is just like some kind of supercomputer with a gigantic capacity. Feelings, smells, hearing, seeing, being able to think, to remember things, to make our own decisions, these things all have their own mechanisms ...in our encephalon (technically, it's the cerebral cortex where most of these things are being carried out but w/e). We are not conscious because of some divine miracle, it's our brain that gives us consciousness and from a certain perspective, our brain is just like a computer.
 
Kenny said:
Numegil, our brain is just like some kind of supercomputer with a gigantic capacity. Feelings, smells, hearing, seeing, being able to think, to remember things, to make our own decisions, these things all have their own mechanisms ...in our encephalon (technically, it's the cerebral cortex where most of these things are being carried out but w/e). We are not conscious because of some divine miracle, it's our brain that gives us consciousness and from a certain perspective, our brain is just like a computer.
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Sorry if I sound rude, but I'm just asking. Are you actually implying that God does not exist, in your opinion?
 
badmephisto said:
CAT13, when you come to your warm home today and make yourself dinner with that stove or microwave, then sit behind your computer and check your email, dont forget to realize that all of this comfort came to you from science. You seem to be taking it all for granted. All of these things were at one point or another "cutting edge physics".

"Instead lets all throw money at children in Africa"
Great fu**** solution. good job
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hmm I thought we were done with this arguement


And about the supercomputer thing. If we could ever figure out a way to make a computer intelligent, then I think we could also figure out how to only give it the qualities of human brain that we want it to have. So in otherwords, give the computer our brain, minus anger, jealosy, and other things like that.
 
CAT13 said:
badmephisto said:
CAT13, when you come to your warm home today and make yourself dinner with that stove or microwave, then sit behind your computer and check your email, dont forget to realize that all of this comfort came to you from science. You seem to be taking it all for granted. All of these things were at one point or another "cutting edge physics".

"Instead lets all throw money at children in Africa"
Great fu**** solution. good job
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hmm I thought we were done with this arguement
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hmmm yes i suppose we are :) I was just skipping through the posts yesterday and found your misinformed posts and i just felt like correcting you. And I was a little drunk yesterday actually so it came out a little rude, but i still stand by the message.

and to stay on topic: yes when we get bigger and more badass supercomputers, we will be able to map out the brain and simulate it inside the computer. Now that's just taking us as a product of evolution over millions of years, and dumping it into a computer. And of course, it would "feel" and "think" just as we do, provided that we model our chemical processes in the brain correctly... which is harder than it may seem.

But to create intelligence from scratch would be much more involved, and to my knowledge noone has a clue on how to do this yet, if it is at all possible. (but i'd like to think it is)
 
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