Learning ZBLL

[RyanP12]

Hi! As you have figured out from the title, I am learning full ZBLL(hopefully). I am making this for motivation and to track my progress. Before you guys recommend COLL, I already know CP recog for all cases and 3/4s of COLL algs. I am using Train Yu with Jabari/Justin Taylor/Tao Yu algs.

Week 1
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Starting T set
2GLL
Algs learning(the number is its number on the algdb site): ZBLL T 61, T 62, T 63, T 64, T 65, T 66, T 67, T 68, T 69, T 70, T 71, T 72
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Week 2
Have been quite busy, will not be starting more algs for a week or so.

 

[xyzzy]

I would learn the equivalent alg which means it would be easier to set up cases?

Not all of the T-set cases are inverses of L-set cases; the inverse of a random T case is equally likely to be L, U, or even T itself.

(Besides diag-T, all of the T ZBLLs have some AUF you can append so that it'll repeat after only four executions. In fact, this is true for all of the ZBLL cases except for some of those with diag corner permutation.)

 

[RyanP12]

thanks!

 

[Hazel]

I have a discord server for those interested in ZBLL, if you'd want to join https://discord.gg/KZ9KBVm

 

[FJT97]

Hi

I would suggest you start with the sune zblls as those are the hardest to recognise but kinda nice algs. That way you have the hardest part done. The other sets are cake compared to that.

And you might consider learning all zzlls first as that would let you use those in solves if you do phasing.


Ah and i almost forgot: https://www.speedsolving.com/thread...st-way-to-learn-zbll-the-anki-approach.73925/

 

[RyanP12]

I’m not exactly sure at the moment on whether I will persue sune and as.

I’m also method exploring with applications of zbll.

 

[Pyjam]

I am using Train Yu with Jabari/Justin Taylor/Tao Yu algs.

I recommend you check algdb. I've added a lot of algs one year ago, including at least 40 algs for the ZBLLs U.

 

[RyanP12]

Ok, thanks!

 

[xyzzy]

I recommend you check algdb. I've added a lot of algs one year ago, including at least 40 algs for the ZBLLs U.

Algdb hasn't had any new approved algs in a very long time, though. I submitted a bunch of random ELL and ZBLL algs in like early/mid-2018 and they haven't been approved.

 

[Pyjam]

Yes. That's unfortunate. That's why I'm not sure that Jabari's alg sheet is up to date.
Tao Yu's Discord server is a good place where to find algs, if the readers don't know it yet:
https://discord.gg/MfBqDFK

 

[Tao Yu]

There's no perfect ZBLL resource right now. If you want the absolute best algs you will have to check many resources.

Another resource worth checking out is Juliette's: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-uwmZHf4vwJxFgeB3-TiF8MQ0RFSS30d5CUK96PoIwk/edit#gid=0

I think it's not a big deal if you learn some sub-optimal algs the first time around though, I find it's much easier to replace a bad alg with a good one once you've learned the recognition for it already. I think it's worth finding a balance, finding optimal algs can be a never-ending task.

Question: Does learning T at the same time as L make sense as I would learn the equivalent alg which means it would be easier to set up cases?
Are there any other benefits to this?

I did this a lot when I learned ZBLL. I learned a decent portion of T, U and L at the same time because I would learn a set of 12 and then the 12 inverses after that. I did it for a different reason: I just found it slightly easier to remember the moves of an alg once I had already learned the inverse. Ease of setting up cases was not something on my mind because early versions of my trainer were basically designed to handle my specific needs in terms of setting up cases, with very few other features.

 

[RyanP12]

Yeah, your trainer is very good, but I am sub par with the virtual cube and am not sure if that helps for muscle memory, so I don’t actively pursue improving on my virtual cube skills.

 

[Tao Yu]

I'm not suggesting you should use the virtual cube, just highlighting that I had a different reasons for doing what I did - I think this is important to keep in mind when taking other people's advice. My point is that if you have a good reason, there is definitely no need to strictly follow a set by set approach.

The idea behind the virtual cube is that muscle memory is not that important to learn at this start, and you can just learn it later. So you should definitely not use it if developing muscle memory early on is important to you.