Is ZBLL worth it?

[Cubed Cuber]

Post your opinions here.

 

[DGCubes]

For the average solver? No, not at all.
For someone decently fast who does frequent edge control and wants to improve their last layer? Definitely.

 

[Hazel]

For the average solver? No, not at all.
For someone decently fast who does frequent edge control and wants to improve their last layer? Definitely.

I agree completely. If you're really dedicated to ZZ or ZBRoux (or ZB of course) then ZBLL is really really useful

 

[Cubed Cuber]

For me, I think its not worth it because I don't have enough dedication in cubing to learn 493 algs.

It's gonna be REALLY HARD for me since my pb is still 19.42 secs. lol
(beginners method)
(look at signature)

 

[Hazel]

It's gonna be REALLY HARD for me since my pb is still 19.42 secs. lol
(beginners method)

that time with beginners' method is actually pretty good, although you should really switch to Roux or CFOP or ZZ really soon.

 

[Cubed Cuber]

I'm learning F2L in CFOP. I also use some CFOP OLL algs.

 

[Hazel]

I'm learning F2L in CFOP. I also use some CFOP OLL algs.

Oh ok cool! Good luck

 

[RedJack22]

It's gonna be REALLY HARD for me since my pb is still 19.42 secs. lol
(beginners method)
(look at signature)

Yeah, if you are even considering learning ZBLL, then you should at least be fairly fast in F2L and know full PLL. I don't know any ZBLL, but 400+ algs is an awful lot to learn!

 

[JustAnotherGenericCuber]

At least learn ZBLL O

 

[FJT97]

Of course! At least if you use zz. And if you don't use zz i cant help you.

 

[Cubed Cuber]

My OLL + PLL is about 14 secs.
lol

 

[efattah]

The problem isn't learning the set, it is maintaining it. Once you cross around 200-250 algorithms, then it is no longer possible to 'maintain' the algorithms fresh in your mind by simple solving. The only solution is to do drills almost every day to avoid forgetting algorithms and to keep recognition/memory fetch/reaction time to fast levels. If you can solve a case in 5 fewer moves with a new algorithm set, that does you no good if it takes you 2 extra seconds to recognize/remember which algorithm to use. Large sets are only useful if you can react almost instantly and never forget cases.

 

[qwertycuber]

I think it is not worth learning all the algs to get fast, but learning 2GLL+some other easy cases will be worth learning, but at this point, I don't really care about improving my times, and I'm just trying to learn all the ZBLL cases because I find learning new things very enjoyable.

 

[xyzzy]

Are you asking "Is ZBLL worth it in general?" or "Is ZBLL worth it for me?"?

Answer to the first question is a solid "maybe"; answer to the second question is "no / not yet". Most people are assuming you're asking the first question, and yet your replies indicate that you intended the second question.

(Also, efattah's post is extremely relevant to the first question. With large alg sets, a lot of the time spent is on drilling, in order to keep recognition and recall times short, and not just learning the algs.)

 

[Cubed Cuber]

Are you asking "Is ZBLL worth it in general?" or "Is ZBLL worth it for me?"?

Answer to the first question is a solid "maybe"; answer to the second question is "no / not yet". Most people are assuming you're asking the first question, and yet your replies indicate that you intended the second question.

I'm asking the first question, but I'm comparing it to myself if I should learn it or not.

 

[joshsailscga]

I'm asking the first question, but I'm comparing it to myself if I should learn it or not.

So you're actually asking the second question, then?

 

[OLLiver]

short answer no. Long answer yes, with a but

 

[tx789]

The problem isn't learning the set, it is maintaining it. Once you cross around 200-250 algorithms, then it is no longer possible to 'maintain' the algorithms fresh in your mind by simple solving. The only solution is to do drills almost every day to avoid forgetting algorithms and to keep recognition/memory fetch/reaction time to fast levels. If you can solve a case in 5 fewer moves with a new algorithm set, that does you no good if it takes you 2 extra seconds to recognize/remember which algorithm to use. Large sets are only useful if you can react almost instantly and never forget cases.

I don't tend to learn as many algs these days. I find I learn them much more quickly than 5 years ago. Retaining them is the hard part however repetition over a long enough period is needed.

 

[Hazel]

If I didn't switch to Roux I most likely would have finished ZBLL, or at least tried to. I learned the T set though and it wasn't too difficult.

 

[Petro Leum]

I have learned it, and I find it worth it.

It's a long term investment, yet I've already dropped my official avg5 from 9.7 to 9.1 since then.