Is MoYu the Beats by Dre of cubing?

[Johnny]

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO. But yeah, if MoYu is the Beats of cubing, V cube is like the AT&T of cubing because their products are much worse.

 

[kcl]

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO. But yeah, if MoYu is the Beats of cubing, V cube is like the AT&T of cubing because their products are much worse.

Are you high? Because that's what it sounds like.

 

[Ninja Storm]

I actually really like the Moyu 7x7x7. Maybe it's just me being terrible at modding cubes, but it's turned better than any other 7x7x7 I have. My mini SS 7x7x7 would have been good but it had some weird locking issues on the middle layers.

If it were cubic, it'd totally be my main. It's absolutely great.

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO. But yeah, if MoYu is the Beats of cubing, V cube is like the AT&T of cubing because their products are much worse.

Do you know what you're talking about?

 

[Johnny]

It's kind of obvious since every reviewer on YouTube has mentioned it

 

[Chree]

If it were cubic, it'd totally be my main. It's absolutely great.

How did you set yours up? Maybe I'm too used to my Mini SS, but I had a really hard time getting mine to be good (although, at the moment, it's great... just not better). So right now mine is pretty sluggish, but doesn't pop or jam at all anymore. And I'm using 25ct shock oil.

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO. But yeah, if MoYu is the Beats of cubing, V cube is like the AT&T of cubing because their products are much worse.

I don't think you set up your AoChuang very well, then. Mine had the issues you're talking about out of the box, but after a few days of breaking in and tensioning, it was a thousand times better than my SS. After gradually lubing it to preference, there was no reason to pick up my SS ever again.

Though, now I'm curious. Do you even own these cubes or are these opinions based from the more negative reviews you've seen?

And lest we forget: Moyu has more than delivered when it comes to 3x3s and 4x4s. Worth every penny, and there are WRs to prove it.

 

[Aunk]

Do you guys truly believe that the AoFu, AoChuang and AoShi, with the major issues they have, are worth such a huge price?

The Aochuang is miles better than any modded Shengshou I have felt, so the $30 is worth it. The AoShi is well, AoShit and the price isn't justifiable. However, the Aofu is kind of a hit-and-miss I guess. Blake Thompson has a reaaally good Aofu, but others are just crap. I guess, if you have used v cubes extensively in the past, you would be used to the pillowedness, so that's really up to you to decide.

 

[Johnny]

The way that I think of this is that it's the company's responsibility to make the cube perform well, not yours. Cubes should perform well no matter how you set them up.

My larger point is that some cubers seem to believe that whatever MoYu releases is automatically the best.

 

[rowan]

This post title is some srs clickbait.

 

[Johnny]

People disagreeing with you is not click bait

 

[rowan]

People disagreeing with you is not click bait

I didn't say that and I don't care about this debate. The comparison is unfounded and bizzare (likely to drive readership) even if you like Shengshou more. That's why I called it clickbait.

 

[Chree]

The way that I think of this is that it's the company's responsibility to make the cube perform well, not yours. Cubes should perform well no matter how you set them up.

Then what you have is a misunderstanding of the responsibilities of these companies.

Out of the 80 or so cubes I own, maybe 2 of them came out of the box perfect. Every other time, 97.5% of the time, I have had to retension, lube, swap hardware, or otherwise maintain my cubes to get them to my liking. Or just gave up on them altogether when something better came along. This includes many brands of cubes that all needed work

And while some people might prefer fast and loose cubes (and have the turning accuracy to handle it), others prefer slow and tight.

What you ask for is impossible. It's up to you to set your cube to your own preference or capabilities.

 

[~Adam~]

Johnny still hasn't told us if he owns the AoChuang, AoShi or AoFu. Just sayin'.

 

[ottozing]

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts.

What the hell is a "reasonable corner cut"?

Empty statements like this are why people are disagreeing with you.

 

[Chree]

If there's one thing I've learned on these forums, it's that everyone's experience is different. And any attempt to make blanket statements like "all moyus aren't worth the money" or "algorithmic F2L is da best" will get you nothing but grief.

 

[Ninja Storm]

It's kind of obvious since every reviewer on YouTube has mentioned it

Do you own any of these? The AoFu was the best 7x7x7 that I had ever owned, and was perfect apart from its shape.

How did you set yours up? Maybe I'm too used to my Mini SS, but I had a really hard time getting mine to be good (although, at the moment, it's great... just not better). So right now mine is pretty sluggish, but doesn't pop or jam at all anymore. And I'm using 25ct shock oil.

Well if it's sluggish, you need to put some lighter lubricant in it. Drops of Maru right before a session make it good.

 

[theROUXbiksCube]

Reading the debate over and over, and it doesn't even seem like Johnny owns MoYu 5x5-7x7s and is just basing his opinions off of Youtuber first turns and reviews and etc.
You needs to feel the cubs. After the AoSu never touched my SS again.

 

[PeelingStickers]

Some of my thoughts:

2x2: Never tried as I am bad at 2x2, but I have felt a LingPo a few times and it felt extremely good, probably on par with a dayan.
3x3: Nothing needs to be said here.
4x4: Another flawless cube, even the weisu was better than the shengshous of the time.
5x5: I've felt a couple aochuangs, though sadly I don't own one myself. They feel fast but slightly unstable for my liking. I prefer my shengshou (Although this is slightly bias as my SS is modded and with 5k+ solves).
6x6: Not tried.
7x7: I agree with Ninja Storm, the aofu feels amazing. Every layer turns the same and there are no inner lockups that the mini-SS can have. It also pops way less. However the pillowed shape breaks the deal. If it's worth the money I would definitely get the flat 7x7 when MoYu release it, especially if it costs the same as the pillowed aofu.

So I make that worth it to buy on all of them except for the 7x7 (until a flat comes out) and 5x5 (unless you dislike your shengshou) with my judgement on 6x6 being reserved until I've felt one.

But of course this is all just opinion.

 

[Myachii]

Well, the reason why people want to buy the big MoYu cubes is because they've seen the smaller ones like 3x3, 4x4 and 5x5 take off. MoYu came out of nowhere to become a very good competitor to DaYan and Shengshou. I guess they got greedy, and wanted to use the name that they had established through great quality cubes to sell much more expensive ones to people who assumed they would be better because of the name.

I mean, if you're like me and you buy a MoYu Aosu and Aochuang to replace your SS 4x4 and 5x5, you'll notice how much better they are. Surely the 6x6 and 7x7 must also trump the quality of the SS brand?

If you already have a SS 6x6 and 7x7, stick with them. Big cubes = big prices, and it's a lot of money down the drain if it turns out to be exactly the same as your current.
In my opinion, MoYu are living off of past triumphs and selling us big cubes that we could purchase from SS for a fraction of the price.

 

[goodatthis]

2 to three times as much

The only cubes where this is the case is their 4x4 and 5x5, and I think we all can agree that you get exactly what you pay for with the Aosu. And as for the Aochuang, I've done hundreds on solves on it, and it is absolutely amazing. It's way better than my modded SS that had even more solves on it.

And as for their 6x6 and 7x7, I don't have the Aofu, so I can't really say much about it, but I do have a mini shengshou which is really nice. And to compare the SS 6x6 to the Aoshi, the turning on the Aoshi is really nice, which is mostly attributed to the plastic and build quality of the pieces, which is where your price comes from. With the SS, it just feels cheap. Honestly I haven't done a ton of solves on either the SS or Aoshi, but I can tell you the the Aoshi is absolutely terrible out of the box. With some lube and tensioning and a few solves, it gets better, but it still feels rather unstable and bumpy. But how does it compare to the SS? Well, it never pops, ever, you don't get those extremely annoying catches (although you do get lockups, but they're easy to fix) and as I said, the turning itself is really nice. Unlike the SS, you don't get lockups if you turn accurately. With the SS, simply doing slice moves causes catches.

And as for the comparison, Moyu wouldn't be like Beats. you can get sound quality from 50 dollar headphones that you can get from beats. With moyu, you're paying for top of the line quality, albeit with a heftier price tag. If we were comparing to video cameras, Canon would be shengshou, and RED would be moyu. Except maybe not 30x more expensive, but the quality comparison is there.

Also, no offense, but it seems like all you are going off of here is just conjecture on the quality of moyu cubes. I know that you're not all that fast, and that's fine, but do you even have both moyu and SS's 5x5, 6x6, and 7x7?

 

[XTowncuber]

The way that I think of this is that it's the company's responsibility to make the cube perform well, not yours. Cubes should perform well no matter how you set them up.

If that's what you want from companies then you need to get a new hobby, because that ain't how it works around here the point remains that they have only released maybe 4 cubes that were (arguably) overpriced duds.

There is obviously a lot of hype when new MoYu cubes are going to be released, but the thing is that often that hype is deserved. You are very selectively listing the examples where MoYu did not live up to the hype.

Also, my AoChuang almost never pops; assuming you own one you might want to tighten it.