Is MoYu the Beats by Dre of cubing?

[DanpHan]

The way that I think of this is that it's the company's responsibility to make the cube perform well, not yours. Cubes should perform well no matter how you set them up.

My larger point is that some cubers seem to believe that whatever MoYu releases is automatically the best.

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO. But yeah, if MoYu is the Beats of cubing, V cube is like the AT&T of cubing because their products are much worse.

Go to a competition. You'll see that people will have the same cubes as you and they perform completely different. The performance is VERY dependent on how the cube is set up. It is completely your responsibility to set up the cube so that it works for you, not the company's. Keep in mind that they don't just sell cubes to you, but many others, and they all have different preferences.

Yes, people do believe often that when MoYu releases a cube, it's the best thing ever. That's not MoYu's fault. This is why people should look at reviews and think before they make a decision on whether or not to purchase a cube.

The ShengShou doesn't severely lock up and pop when doing reasonable corner cuts. The AoFu and auchuang do. I would expect that MoYu would understand that such a huge flaw would lower the value of the cube by at least 10 dollars IMO.

That's not entirely true since the performance is very dependent on the setup as well as the cuber's preferences, and it's also misleading since it doesn't address other important factors that people consider, such as speed and feeling. As for the price, it's the company's decision. Like it or not, that's what the price is. It's fine if you don't think the product is worth the extra money, but you really are acting like you're trying to speak for the whole community when there are people that do think that it's worth the price difference. For example, the AoShi is my new main, and I'm glad that I purchased it.

As a last point, this thread can't even apply to a large amount of the cubes released by MoYu. For example, an AoLong costs about 15$. A zhanchi costs about 15$. Hardly any difference. However, I see that this discussion mainly revolves around their larger cubes.

 

[brian724080]

Have you tried the AoChuang? Mine cost more than twice what I paid for the ShengShou but it was worth every penny.

Exactly, imagine how many hours you can spend on a $30 cube. If you are a speedsolver, then probably hundreds. Now imagine the entertainment you get from an $8 movie ticket, which probably provides no more than a few hours of entertainment. From this perspective, Moyu cubes aren't over-priced anymore.

 

[Johnny]

I have felt an Aofu and I HATED that whenever you'd try to corner cut more than slightly the pieces would just get so out of alignment. From what I hear, the Aochuang and AoShi have that issue too, which to me is an absolute deal breaker.

Keep in mind that I do not intend for my statements to be taken as facts. They are opinions. The way I phrase my opinions is a reflection of how I feel at that time, not how I intend them to be interpreted.

 

[Tony Fisher]

These puzzles are coming out of China so some price differences could be down to how legal they are in terms of safety testing. In order for them to be sold in Europe and USA they must pass different tests on labels, plastic, packaging etc. I wonder if some of the cheaper companies bypass these tests. They might be cheaper but when your babies are born with 3 heads you might regret it.

 

[~Adam~]

So Johnny has felt an AoFu and hasn't even touched the other 2 cubes he is complaining about being overpriced. On the basis of that he felt he should make a new thread because he believed he had thought up a funny analogy.

 

[guysensei1]

So Johnny has felt an AoFu and hasn't even touched the other 2 cubes he is complaining about being overpriced. On the basis of that he felt he should make a new thread because he believed he had thought up a funny analogy.

And he felt someone else's aofu, which may be really loosely tensioned or something.

 

[~Adam~]

And he felt someone else's aofu, which may be really loosely tensioned or something.

But some YouTubers 1st impressions are worth more than the speedsolving community's opinions because they are the chosen few who are allowed to make videos and upload them to the internet.

 

[uyneb2000]

"Oh man, these cubes have this one flaw and I hate it. It's also quite expensive. Based on this, I'm gonna post on the forums a generalization about the ENTIRE company based on the facts of three sub-par cubes out of the MANY excellent other ones they have. That TOTALLY sounds reasonable."

 

[Johnny]

I never said that their other cubes weren't good. The AoLong is my main 3x3 and the MoYu Skewb rocks. I also have the LingPo, which I think is just incredibly mediocre.

Maybe the reason why I feel this way is because I started cubing a year and a half ago and I never used older cubes that were truly atrocious. My standards are high but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

I do not have any of the big (5x5 and up) MoYu cubes but to me the fact that the pieces can come out of alignment and switch places with each other when doing a corner cut on the inner layers is a fundamental flaw. I'm not saying you have to agree with me.

 

[cubeninjaIV]

stuff...
I do not have any of the big (5x5 and up) MoYu cubes but to me the fact that the pieces can come out of alignment and switch places with each other when doing a corner cut on the inner layers is a fundamental flaw. I'm not saying you have to agree with me.

I hate to disappoint, but if that's your beef with Moyu big cubes, I can give you an unabbreviated list of big cubes that did not have this problem:
-Eastsheen 5x5 (which would make you cringe after using anything you could buy today)
-V-Cube 6x6 (which exploded instead of locking up)

So yes, a fundamental flaw, but one that no company has managed to solve so far.
IMO the 5x5 is worth every penny. It beat my well modded Shengshou out of the box. The 6x6 isn't all that great, but most people agree that it beats a brand new shengshou and really doesnt cost that much more. The 7x7... that's a matter of preference. I tried a few and wasn't impressed by the performance, certainly not enough to justify buying one for myself. It is expensive, so I didn't buy it, which is exactly what you did. But you went and created a thread about a topic that you have admitted you have no experience with.
Congratulations

 

[tx789]

I never said that their other cubes weren't good. The AoLong is my main 3x3 and the MoYu Skewb rocks. I also have the LingPo, which I think is just incredibly mediocre.

Maybe the reason why I feel this way is because I started cubing a year and a half ago and I never used older cubes that were truly atrocious. My standards are high but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

I do not have any of the big (5x5 and up) MoYu cubes but to me the fact that the pieces can come out of alignment and switch places with each other when doing a corner cut on the inner layers is a fundamental flaw. I'm not saying you have to agree with me.

My Experience with my shengshou 5-7 is that the "issues" you say the moyu 5-7 has they have also occur with a shengshou.

Peoples standards on cubes depend on what the used. I remember thinking that my store brought was great back in mid 2010. Before I owned a speedcube. I couldn't compare it to anything else. So using older cubes when you are used to the new can influence people's view on them.

As some have said v-cubes is a better comparison but before the shengshou takeover this wans't the case. They had the only 6x6 and 7x7 .

 

[goodatthis]

I never said that their other cubes weren't good. The AoLong is my main 3x3 and the MoYu Skewb rocks. I also have the LingPo, which I think is just incredibly mediocre.

Maybe the reason why I feel this way is because I started cubing a year and a half ago and I never used older cubes that were truly atrocious. My standards are high but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

I do not have any of the big (5x5 and up) MoYu cubes but to me the fact that the pieces can come out of alignment and switch places with each other when doing a corner cut on the inner layers is a fundamental flaw. I'm not saying you have to agree with me.

In what way is the LingPo "incredibly mediocre?" It's the fastest cube I've ever used, is it just too fast for you? And by what comparison?

I started cubing 10-11 months ago and the oldest cube I ever used (aside from a rubiks brand) was either a SS Aurora or a lanlan 2x2. After that, it was basically just moyu and shengshou cubes for my mains. (And a few Dayan cubes, but not my mains). So to say that your standards are high because of this is pretty inconsequential, all I've ever tried are the best cubes and I'm not having the problem you're having.

By the definition of fact, (a thing that is indisputably the case), you are 100% wrong. The pieces do not come out of alignment when doing a corner cut. Want me to make a video of it on my moyu 5x5 and 6x6 to prove it to you? And also, if you believe that this is the case (which it isn't) then it throws your argument about SS cubes being much better cubes out the window, since SS cubes have this problem much worse than moyu cubes. This is essentially the inconsistent comparison fallacy, you are not comparing equally, yet you are saying one is better than the other. Actually, this would probably also be the incomplete comparison fallacy as well, since you aren't giving enough information to warrant your claim on why shenghou cubes are better, but I'm not going to get too technical here.

 

[uyneb2000]

Alright, here's a photo of what happened when I tried to corner cut with my Shengshou 6x6 and Shengshou 5x5. I'm not deliberately trying to do this.

 

[Johnny]

In what way is the LingPo "incredibly mediocre?" It's the fastest cube I've ever used, is it just too fast for you? And by what comparison?

The mechanism of the LingPo is not optimal because it is a GuHong clone in a 2x2 form. The GuHong is no longer the best 3x3 so why make a clone of it as a 2x2?

And also, if you believe that this is the case (which it isn't) then it throws your argument about SS cubes being much better cubes out the window, since SS cubes have this problem much worse than moyu cubes.

I never said that MoYu cubes were worse than ShengShou cubes. I said that the difference in quality wasn't enough to justify the price difference.

 

[goodatthis]

The mechanism of the LingPo is not optimal because it is a GuHong clone in a 2x2 form. The GuHong is no longer the best 3x3 so why make a clone of it as a 2x2?



I never said that MoYu cubes were worse than ShengShou cubes. I said that the difference in quality wasn't enough to justify the price difference.

A cube having a fundamental flaw vs not having a fundamental flaw doensnt justify the price difference?

 

[Johnny]

A cube having a fundamental flaw vs not having a fundamental flaw doensnt justify the price difference?

I think that both cubes have fundamental flaws.

 

[DanpHan]

I never said that MoYu cubes were worse than ShengShou cubes. I said that the difference in quality wasn't enough to justify the price difference.

I think it's important to note that the reason that the shengshou cubes are so cheap is because they put absolutely no time and money into coming up with their own mechanisms. They just steal someone else's (generally V-Cubes). I'm not entirely sure about MoYu, but if they actually put in the money to make their own mechanism or to get permission to use someone else's, the price difference may make sense, regardless of quality.

 

[WinterCub3r]

Beats are complete crap, Moyu is great. Conclusion: NO.

This is my first post in a few months.