Is EOline able to be sub 1'd ?
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Alternate/additional question:
How many moves do you usually take? (15s inspection)
How many moves do you usually take? (15s inspection)
cubernya
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It depends on how many moves you take.
Whether or not you can do it during inspection, that's a matter of recognizing which edges aren't oriented
Whether or not you can do it during inspection, that's a matter of recognizing which edges aren't oriented
MaeLSTRoM
Veteran
Not just that, You have to EO and also trace DF and DB and then place them. I think its possible to sub-2 but not sure about sub-1
Phlippieskezer
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ZZ is the kind of method that's heavily reliant on pre-inspection, so you'll likely need a fair amount of it unless you're very familiar with the method and orienting edges, etc.
I think it's 'sub-1-able,' but mostly depending on the case (I say it's definitely at least able to be sub-2'd).
I think it's 'sub-1-able,' but mostly depending on the case (I say it's definitely at least able to be sub-2'd).
porkynator
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I think it is possible.
I've been using ZZ OH for a while, and a few days ago I decided to switch to it also for my normal 3x3 solves. When I do OH, I do EO and then cross, because moves for EO are slow, so I can look for cross pieces while doing it. So I never really did EOLine until today, when I decided to train it a bit: my mean of 25 solves was sub3 (2.78, if I remember correctly), and I did a lot of sub2 (as well as many sup4).
I average around 15 with fridrich, around 16 (but with an awful standard deviation) with ZZ (around 20-25 OH), so I'm not that fast; conclusion: EOLine can be done sub1, if it's not too difficult.
I've been using ZZ OH for a while, and a few days ago I decided to switch to it also for my normal 3x3 solves. When I do OH, I do EO and then cross, because moves for EO are slow, so I can look for cross pieces while doing it. So I never really did EOLine until today, when I decided to train it a bit: my mean of 25 solves was sub3 (2.78, if I remember correctly), and I did a lot of sub2 (as well as many sup4).
I average around 15 with fridrich, around 16 (but with an awful standard deviation) with ZZ (around 20-25 OH), so I'm not that fast; conclusion: EOLine can be done sub1, if it's not too difficult.
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Kirjava
Colourful
Is there a reason why you're asking this question?
cubernya
Premium Member
Maybe to see how fast he should aim to do it?
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't Jorghi always been a strong advocate against EO-line?
On topic:
a great way to reduce your movecount is applying color neutral EO-line: less moves obviously means afaster EO-line...
EDIT: didn't see Jorghi already suggested CN.
You should not look only for mosst misoriented edges on a particular face.
Choose your cube orientation as such that you have the least amount of misoriented edges or an neasy case
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porkynator
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I was color neutral with fridrich, but I sadly had to switch to fixed White-Yellow / Red-Orange orientation. Color neutral ZZ seems just too difficult to me, but if you do it and you can give some tips, it would be very appreciated
Escher
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Sure, just practice it heavily for a long time. Good luck on not pausing before continuing the rest of the solve though.
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cubernya
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If you love CFOP then why are you asking about EOLine
I just don't even....
The amount of time spent on EO, if you're not going to be doing more efficient blockbuilding style F2L completely negates the time that you save on not doing cube rotations.
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Owen
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I think you're trying a bit too hard. Just relax, and practice.
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Shortey
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NO! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
jms_gears1
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I had a long thing explaining how I go about remembering bad edges and how I fix them, then I backspaced and it disappeared so fk it.
I generally take anywhere from 2 seconds to 10 seconds OH (because who uses ZZ 2H >.>)
I generally take anywhere from 2 seconds to 10 seconds OH (because who uses ZZ 2H >.>)
