EOLine+2p: a system for predicting what DL and DR will be after inspection

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For those still desperately clinging onto line, here's something that might shave off 0.1s from your times:

This post seeks to showcase a cool idea for planning past EOLine, and predicting the DL and DR edges for the purposes of making lookahead easier during F2L. One might choose to do an EOCross to fix the edge visibility problem during F2L, but I think this system can yield similar results while still retaining the efficiency of <RUL> blockbuilding.

1. Plan your EOLine
For example, consider the following scramble:
U2 L2 B' D2 R2 D2 B F' U2 B' R2 U' R F' D' L U' L2 F2 D',
and the following EOLine solution:
R' B2 U L B F.



2. Go through the inverse of your solution, while tracking only the positions of the current DL and DR
Our inverse is F' B' L' U' B2 R.
During inspection, we predict where DL and DR would end up if we were to do these moves.

As you can see, they would end up in FL and FR.

3. The edges which are currently in the position where the old edges ended up, are the edges which will go to DL and DR.
Now, let's go through the inverse of the inverse. Our rationale is that, if by doing the inverse, DL and DR will end up in FL and FR, respectively, then by doing the inverse of the inverse, which is just our EOLine solution, then FL and FR will end up in DL and DR.
In our case, the red-green and yellow-green edges will end up in DL and DR.



As you can see, this technique provides a reliable way to predict which pieces will be in a certain spot. In a way, it's a constant time technique. Instead of potentially going through all 12 edges and running out of pre-inspection time, this method will always take about the same time it takes to plan your EOLine. A good solver should be able to track the rest of the blind spots during ZZF2L, with enough training. Now, if only the ergonomics problem of line could be solved...

Other uses:
You can do something similar after planning your final Cross/XCross to, for example, predict BL and BR before starting F2L. I think planning anything more than 2 or 3 pieces with this technique would be a hassle.
 
This is also such a simple idea that I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed before. Going through the inverse has the potential to be done fast, because it takes very little brainpower as opposed to doing the actual planning of the first step. You just reverse the moves once and you're done.
 
This is also such a simple idea that I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed before. Going through the inverse has the potential to be done fast, because it takes very little brainpower as opposed to doing the actual planning of the first step. You just reverse the moves once and you're done.
People plan eocross in inspection. It has been discussed thoroughly
 
Keep in mind that this basic idea can also be used for CFOP (track BL and BR) or for Roux (track DB). As long as your method has a first step where predicting the positions of a few pieces would help, you can go through the inverse after planning your solution.

Though, this works best for ZZ/EOLine, because you only have to track edges which you will know the orientation of in advance. Tracking the key stickers in edges for methods where EO is not guaranteed to be solved would be a bit harder. Likewise, tracking corners would also be quite difficult (maybe it's just me sucking at inspection).
 
why 2019?

Can you link the reference saying that EOCross is the norm from 2019?
It's difficult to link a source to a community sentiment, but allow me to explain why I said that.

A lot of the anti-zz sentiment came from the Jayden video, Kian's followup, and J perms method comparison. The first two of those having released in 2018, and the 3rd in 2019. These videos only argued against EOLine however, Jayden even stating that EOCross is optimal in his own video. So within the ZZ community, people shifted from EOLine to EOCross.

I can personally attest to this as I started interacting with the ZZ community in 2020 and the sentiment then was that EOCross is almost guaranteed to be the better option.
 
why 2019?

Can you link the reference saying that EOCross is the norm from 2019?
I switched in September 2018. Over the next year or so EOCross became dominant. The only thing I can give you as a source for more than me are all the chats in the ZMS Discord. I also know that Simon used EOCross before me, as did Hyeon. By the end of 2019 most people used EOCross.

In terms of this technique, yeah, it's ok. But I don't see it as being as useful as just predicting first block (or just doing EOCross). It's less useful to know what's in a certain place than just forgetting about it entirely because it's solved.
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I don’t see how this is in any way better than just improving your mental tracking ability. Having to plan a solution and then think about the inverse sounds way worse than just noting which spots are safe from each move.
 
I don’t see how this is in any way better than just improving your mental tracking ability. Having to plan a solution and then think about the inverse sounds way worse than just noting which spots are safe from each move.
EDIT: You can also absolutely predict first block and do this right before starting the timer. The 2 edges should be the last thing you track in inspection, after any potential pair, block or cross edge. Once you have those, just do this quickly. It's nice to have more knowledge about the pieces during the solve. You can also predict BL and BR with EOCross using this technique, so for two pairs you will potentially only look at the corner during solving.
 
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It's difficult to link a source to a community sentiment, but allow me to explain why I said that.

A lot of the anti-zz sentiment came from the Jayden video, Kian's followup, and J perms method comparison. The first two of those having released in 2018, and the 3rd in 2019. These videos only argued against EOLine however, Jayden even stating that EOCross is optimal in his own video. So within the ZZ community, people shifted from EOLine to EOCross.

I can personally attest to this as I started interacting with the ZZ community in 2020 and the sentiment then was that EOCross is almost guaranteed to be the better option.
Okay thanks for the info!
 
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