Im quitting BLD forever.

[Derrick Eide17]

Derrick not fast?! But you are the fastest with Old Pochmann!
I wish I can just sub-5min on a BLD solve.
Perhaps learn turbo?

haha thanks i talked to dennis before and learned about Turbo/pochmann edges, it is nice but the setup moves are a KILLER so probably not using turbo, and like i said i hate M2 with a passion lol

and yeah sorry Chris if it seemed like whining i was just fed up with myself and couldnt handle it anymore, if its whining i did i apologize, so im sorry then.

ok one day on MSN and Derrick already broke his PB! 21.59! He'll be sub-20 soon! Then for my sub-1:30 think you can do that for me this quickly?
p.s. add me on msm [email protected]!

Oh i want sub 20 OH solve so bad!! lol

and sub 1:30 BLD that quickly hmmm seeming as how you have never really done BLD that much before it doesnt seem possible what so ever XD who knows though! maybe ur really a BLD master! and you just dont know it!

 

[Stefan]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

 

[Inusagi]

You said something about you're not going to be good enough. You can still BLD even though you are not close to the WR. You can still cube even though you don't get the WR. You can still walk even though you're not having the WR in going fastest. You can still live even though you're not having a WR in being best person.

 

[Cubie Newbie]

Yes, Inusagi has a great point that I think I alluded to in my "Einstein" analogy. Even if you're not the best at BLD, you can still do it for the experience. If you enjoy it, which is truly up to you to decide, you should keep BLDing, even if you aren't WR. I enjoy 2H, but I, a 25-35 second cuber, am definitely not going to achieve a world record anytime soon. You, on the other hand, are an already amazing BLD cuber anyway.

My point is, if you really enjoy the experience of BLDing, regardless of your times, you should keep going.

BTW, are you looking at the glass as 1/100 empty or 99% full?

 

[Pedro]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

I talked to him about M2 yesterday, and (hopefully) explained what he was doing "wrong", hence not liking the method...

but he still says memorising in pairs is not something he's used to... :/

 

[hait2]

this thread reeks of attention whoring

 

[Derrick Eide17]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

this thread reeks of attention whoring

OMG what? did i like do something to offend you in anyway? geez no sorry im not WHINING or doing this for attention, i just thought i wanted to post about something i was very upset about and like i said i didnt even think anyone would CARE or mention anything if i was quitting BLD so it definetly was not for attention. anyway if im still doing SOMETHING wrong like i said, IM SORRY okay?

 

[hait2]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

this thread reeks of attention whoring

OMG what? did i like do something to offend you in anyway?

yes, see below

geez no sorry im not WHINING or doing this for attention, i just thought i wanted to post about something i was very upset about and like i said i didnt even think anyone would CARE or mention anything if i was quitting BLD so it definetly was not for attention.

your logic doesn't add up. if you didn't think anyone would care you wouldn't have posted. if you wanted to quit, instead of listening to other people telling you not to quit, you wouldn't have posted

anyway if im still doing SOMETHING wrong like i said, IM SORRY okay?

being an attention whore isn't wrong. it's just annoying (to me at least)

you can have the last word, i don't mind. there's nothing more that needs to be said from my side

 

[Derrick Eide17]

this thread reeks of attention whoring

OMG what? did i like do something to offend you in anyway?[/quote]
yes, see below

geez no sorry im not WHINING or doing this for attention, i just thought i wanted to post about something i was very upset about and like i said i didnt even think anyone would CARE or mention anything if i was quitting BLD so it definetly was not for attention.

your logic doesn't add up. if you didn't think anyone would care you wouldn't have posted. if you wanted to quit, instead of listening to other people telling you not to quit, you wouldn't have posted

anyway if im still doing SOMETHING wrong like i said, IM SORRY okay?

being an attention whore isn't wrong. it's just annoying (to me at least)

you can have the last word, i don't mind. there's nothing more that needs to be said from my side[/QUOTE]

well really you dont know what my logic is, i just thought if anyone cared enough to know i was quitting i could let them know, i know there is hardly anyone who does care, but for the people who do i just wanted to let them know, so yes my logic does make sense i believe not doing it for attention.

and sorry i dont mind if i have the last word im just replying to your response with my own answer.

 

[Dene]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

I talked to him about M2 yesterday, and (hopefully) explained what he was doing "wrong", hence not liking the method...

but he still says memorising in pairs is not something he's used to... :/

Why do you have to memorise in pairs? M2 is just a cycle like Old Pochamnn, isn't it??:confused:

 

[Pedro]

I'm with Chris. Stop whining publicly. Drama queen.

Why do you hate M2? I don't mind if you do, but if there are drawbacks I'd like to know about them so they can be addressed and maybe rectified.

I talked to him about M2 yesterday, and (hopefully) explained what he was doing "wrong", hence not liking the method...

but he still says memorising in pairs is not something he's used to... :/

Why do you have to memorise in pairs? M2 is just a cycle like Old Pochamnn, isn't it??:confused:

because of the centers moving

so if you have to shoot to DB, but it's the second part of a pair, you shoot to UF instead, which is where the DB position actually is

 

[Dene]

But it's still a continuous cycle, the only thing to worry about is the M slice which should be done last. Unless I've got it all completely wrong >.< . You shouldn't need to memo in pairs, instead just do a normal cycle, and when it comes to the M slice figure out what you need to do to finish it. Of course, this has never worked for me (just the last bit), so maybe I should try memoing in pairs, although I don't really BLD much.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

lol welcome to the wonderful, confusing, frustrating, weird, irritating, and messed up world of M2 Dene!!! lol isn't it just GREAT? XD

GOD i hate M2 lol.

 

[Dene]

I've been familiar with M2 for quite a while now, and I can do all edges except for the last 3...

 

[cmhardw]

Although it's not true M2, I've been starting to incorporate M2 algs into my commutator solving.

For example the cycle UB->DB->UL I used to do with S' D2 S U' S' D2 S U but I think it's much faster with D M2 D' L2 D M2 D' L2 and not to mention it's still turn optimal (and thus ok to use for the BH method) :-D

So although I'm not an M2 solver, I think the idea of M2 is worthwhile to use even in commutator solving.

Derrick I don't understand why you hate M2. It's exactly the same idea as old Pochmann, only the algorithm is simply the turn M2 rather than a cumbersome PLL alg. The side effect is to switch centers and 2 other M2 edges, but the side effect of old Pochmann is to switch 2 pieces of the type you aren't solving also. Either way you get a side effect and use setup moves to avoid disturbing the side effect.

The switching algorithm is much faster, and it uses the same idea. Plus, if you really don't like the algs that move edges to another location on the M layer then just use commutators. There are only 192 pure cases for these commutators which will probably break down into only 3-4 commutator types, and will all be intuitive to understand. If you think that's too many to learn, full BH method is 2204 algorithms, but of course these also break down into far fewer commutator types and are all 100% intuitive.

To me it sounds like you're very fast with your current method, and you've realized that you are at a barrier for old Pochmann and are too lazy to switch to another method to get faster.

My question to you is how badly do you want to get faster? I do not mean to slam old Pochmann, I think both you and Dennis have shown that it can be very fast. But I think the theory behind M2 is so convincing in terms of Pochmann style solving, that I don't understand why a Pochmann solver wouldn't switch to it. Forgive my ignorance in Pochmann style solving if that sounds stupid, but with what little knowledge I have of old Pochmann and M2 I don't understand why M2 is not very clearly seen as the superior method.

Chris

 

[Derrick Eide17]

Derrick I don't understand why you hate M2. It's exactly the same idea as old Pochmann, only the algorithm is simply the turn M2 rather than a cumbersome PLL alg. The side effect is to switch centers and 2 other M2 edges, but the side effect of old Pochmann is to switch 2 pieces of the type you aren't solving also. Either way you get a side effect and use setup moves to avoid disturbing the side effect.

The switching algorithm is much faster, and it uses the same idea. Plus, if you really don't like the algs that move edges to another location on the M layer then just use commutators. There are only 192 pure cases for these commutators which will probably break down into only 3-4 commutator types, and will all be intuitive to understand. If you think that's too many to learn, full BH method is 2204 algorithms, but of course these also break down into far fewer commutator types and are all 100% intuitive.

To me it sounds like you're very fast with your current method, and you've realized that you are at a barrier for old Pochmann and are too lazy to switch to another method to get faster.

My question to you is how badly do you want to get faster? I do not mean to slam old Pochmann, I think both you and Dennis have shown that it can be very fast. But I think the theory behind M2 is so convincing in terms of Pochmann style solving, that I don't understand why a Pochmann solver wouldn't switch to it. Forgive my ignorance in Pochmann style solving if that sounds stupid, but with what little knowledge I have of old Pochmann and M2 I don't understand why M2 is not very clearly seen as the superior method.

Chris

Lol well one reason I first hated M2 when i started cause it seriously took me almost like a YEAR to fully understand and learn and i went OUT OF MY MIND trying to learn it LOL. and then i hear people who like learned it in 2 or somethings days and im like GRR lol but thats just a small reason but i do HATE IT because it even took so long to learn, and even after that i dont see it as such a simple method, it just REALLY confuses me, there is SO MUCH to keep track of in my opinion. for example, Parity, Taking care parity, unoriented edges (knowing what edges you have to orient at the end), keeping track of centers, restricted memo because u have to memo in pairs which is VERY WIERD for me because i love the way i memo currently atm and being restricted to pairs WHILE keep track of centers really confuses me, if there IS parity then even IF you memo in pairs the center will now be the OPPOSITE of the way they were if there wasnt parity so after every pair the centers arent solved etc, and also taking care of the M slice edges is also sometimes confusing depending how they are. its just with ALL THOSE THINGS making M2 so weird and frustrating is why i hate it so much, when i can just use a simple method such as old pochmann. also no im not lazy, i have practiced M2 and the memo is just too bad for me and too many things make me slow down and i stall a lot in memo and execution.

i think my best with M2 before was like 1:43 i got one night but after that never could get close to that again lol. (I get a LOT of DNF's with M2.)

 

[joey]

You DON'T need to memo in pairs. Just when you come to UF/DB (or their flipped equivalents), you need to see if you have done an odd or even number of swaps. If odd, you know you need to memo the opposite alg.

For example:
UR -> UF
I would see that I had done an odd number of swaps beforehand, so would memo DB instead of UF.

Personally I would also learn the algs to shoot to FU and BD, OR like chris, you can just do simple comms. (again, you need to see if you have done an odd or even number of swaps)

By the way, I can't remember if I've actually got a success with M2!! I probably have at some point (pretending to be Alex Yu or Kai or Konrad)
It *is* a lot faster than old pochmann, it uses WAAAYYY less moves.
Timing some BLD execution (sighted, not memoed), I got some sub-40 executions. I can't see that happening with old pochmann, unless you have like 9tps!
I'm glad I switched from Old Pochmann.

 

[Stefan]

i wanted to post about something i was very upset about

Well you didn't. You posted about your reaction to it.

 

[fanwuq]

So which is less move count, better times, etc: M2 or TuRBo edges? I really wanted to learn M2 after understanding 3 cycle. Then, a few days ago, I some how arrived at TuRBo when trying out something.

 

[Derrick Eide17]

oh yeah of course no doubt M2 IS definetly better than Old pochmann i never disagree about that, but for me it isnt because the memo is just so WEIRD for me and keeping track of all those things just makes me panic during memo so i take a lot longer, and its not like i just simply tried it a few times and gave up, i practised and almost like NEVER improved memo.