If Fridrich wasn't invented, what do you think the WR time would be?

[cubernya]

What ever was most poplaur. Maybe Corner First, Petrus or Roux.
Who know stuff like ZB and maybe ZZ would exist possibly

ZB is an extension to CFOP...

 

[Kirjava]

I love the idea that ZB could exist without CFOP

 

[Escher]

I love the idea that ZB could exist without CFOP

Replace the letters 'ZB' for 'full Petrus LL' and you have it

 

[Kirjava]

Petrus F2L != Cfop F2L

 

[Czery]

lern2 minh thai

Corners first!

 

[cubecraze1]

most likely sub 5 or 5-10 people have already got sub 10 times with roux and roux would be more popular if CFOP was not invented.

 

[aznanimedude]

without CFOP, 5BLD would rampage even more with his Roux of destruction

 

[somerandomkidmike]

I think it's impossible to determine. Would the WCA be so popular if CFOP never existed? Would speedcubing be so popular?

Edit: assuming everything else about the sport was the same, I'd say that it would be impossible for the WR to be over 10 seconds. Why are the times so spread apart? You shouldn't have any times over 22.95 seconds!

 

[araujoyan40]

maybe other more faster and better had been invented

 

[somerandomkidmike]

If everything else in cubing was the same, it couldn't be any other options than 5-10 seconds or sub-5 seconds. There are sub-10 Roux solves in competition. I think the choices should be:

over 15 seconds
12-15 seconds
11-12 seconds
10-11 seconds seconds
9-10 seconds
8-9 seconds
7-8 seconds
6-7 seconds
5-6 seconds
under 5 seconds

 

[Tim Major]

5.66. It would've been created/published by someone other than Fridrich.

 

[Godmil]

most likely sub 5 or 5-10 people have already got sub 10 times with roux and roux would be more popular if CFOP was not invented.

So you think CFOP has been holding people back?

 

[blackzabbathfan]

It would most likely be 5-10 seconds, probably set by 5BLD, Who will probably break the WR sometime soon anyway.

 

[cubecraze1]

So you think CFOP has been holding people back?

Well to be honest I do, but I use CFOP, 5bld has really proven that you can improve quickly with roux, he would easily be the fastest person to become sub 10. The only thing stopping me from saying what i just said is that i use CFOP.

 

[applemobile]

5bld also proved that he can be sub 20 with 20 methods that he didn't even practice. Certain people will be fast with what ever method they choose. Roux can be a fast method, but only if you are good at it. Anyone can get fast at CFOP, but roux is a much harder method to master. IMO FreeFOP should be much faster than CFOP, and thats the mothod i think would hold the WR. OLL+PLL can be done in 2.5seconds adv, and if one was to master an exhaustive method to complete the first two layers without being confined to a cross followed by 4 corner edge pairs, there would be a lot more room for efficiency. I don't see why someone couldn't have a 6 second adverage with FreeFOP.

 

[cubecraze1]

5bld also proved that he can be sub 20 with 20 methods that he didn't even practice. Certain people will be fast with what ever method they choose. Roux can be a fast method, but only if you are good at it. Anyone can get fast at CFOP, but roux is a much harder method to master.

I do agree. did 5bld do sub 20 with 20 methods? so did kirjava. roux is harder to master and at the end of the day it's what method suits you.

 

[pkvk9122]

What about ZZ? ZZ has alot of potential too

pkvk9122

 

[Godmil]

in reply to the last few comments : it was Kirjava who did the sub-20 with 20 methods, and I think Big Green has faster offical times with Roux, and also while 5BLD is really awesome, other people have got that fast in that time frame with CFOP. Also FreeFOP is pretty cool, but the restrictions in CFOP actually have an advantage too. Also ZZ has had plenty of time for someone to demonstrate its potential, but it's still not happened.

I think CFOP and Roux are the only methods that are capable of really fast times (sub-8) at the moment.

 

[Gabo]

I think that friedrich is that fast just because it's easy to master and someone practiced it really really hard.... any other method would have been equally good if someone had practiced it until they had mastered it

 

[MWilson]

in reply to the last few comments : it was Kirjava who did the sub-20 with 20 methods, and I think Big Green has faster offical times with Roux, and also while 5BLD is really awesome, other people have got that fast in that time frame with CFOP. Also FreeFOP is pretty cool, but the restrictions in CFOP actually have an advantage too. Also ZZ has had plenty of time for someone to demonstrate its potential, but it's still not happened.

I think CFOP and Roux are the only methods that are capable of really fast times (sub-8) at the moment.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?34290-Sub-20-with-20-different-methods