I must be crazy to try this but...

[Dane man]

I want to do an experiment because it appears that many people are talking about how some cubes are better for cubers at different speeds, always taking into account two things. One, cube speed difference. Two, cuber in control.

To summarize my thoughts on the topic, I think that increased cube speed encourages/trains increased cuber control. The "uncontrollable" cubes must be controllable when one gets used to it, right? Well, that's what I'm hoping to find out.

Right now, I'm using the original Rubik's Speed Cube (the one with the original part shapes). I do a little over 35 seconds average with it (because I still use an inefficient 4LLL after 2 years of little to no practice and having forgotten most of my 3LLL algs). What if I tried to go from using that, to using the MoYo WeiLong? And in the meantime learning algs for a speed method?

Could I skip over the 25-35 second times pretty rapidly? Just how much difference would I have to get used to? Will the universe explode on the first solve?

I don't care much if I get better at cubing or not, and a cube is pretty cheep. Also, I LOVE to have fun, and I think this would be a great challenge.

What do you think? Should I do it for science?

 

[Rocky0701]

I bet with two weeks of some practice with a WeiLong and full PLL you would easily be sub 25. The WeiLong it self will probably only improve your times by like 5 seconds though, if even that.

 

[Schmidt]

I went from 1:45.xx to sub 1:30 when I changed from SSv3 to AoSu within a week, so which cube you use can have an effect. But, as many people have pointed out, you can get sub20 with a Rubik's brand, so I think, in most cases, method is more impotent than cube.

 

[supercavitation]

I bet with two weeks of some practice with a WeiLong and full PLL you would easily be sub 25. The WeiLong it self will probably only improve your times by like 5 seconds though, if even that.

I went from 1:40 to 1:15 in about a week when I switched from a rubik's brand to a Zhanchi (without learning anything new), though the difference between 1:40 and 1:15 isn't nearly the same as the difference between 35 and 25.

 

[goodatthis]

Well this wouldn't really be a controlled experiment if you're learning algs along with using a new cube, haha. Besides, so many people have done it and it's pretty much widely known that Moyu > Rubik's. You will almost certainly get faster.

Also, I don't see what's so "scientific" or "experimenty" or "crazy" or "challenging" or "fun" about this, it seems like you're just asking if a speedcube will make you faster, so the answer is yes.

By the way, just quickly doing a search would have answered your question.

 

[~Adam~]

I went from 1:40 to 1:15 in about a week when I switched from a rubik's brand to a Zhanchi (without learning anything new)

I think that progression is fairly standard without switching to a speed cube as long as you are doing a reasonable amount of practice.

 

[Dane man]

Well this wouldn't really be a controlled experiment if you're learning algs along with using a new cube, haha. Besides, so many people have done it and it's pretty much widely known that Moyu > Rubik's. You will almost certainly get faster.

Also, I don't see what's so "scientific" or "experimenty" or "crazy" or "challenging" or "fun" about this, it seems like you're just asking if a speedcube will make you faster, so the answer is yes.

By the way, just quickly doing a search would have answered your question.

I never asked if I would get faster, I asked how easy it would be for me to get faster. After scouring through hundreds of reviews on cubes, I found that everyone said that the Weilong was the fastest (and sometimes too fast). So I thought, "Well, how fast is too fast? Is there such thing? Let's find out."

 

[ryanj92]

What if I tried to go from using that, to using the MoYo WeiLong? And in the meantime learning algs for a speed method?

Do one or the other - if you're learning new algs/steps then inevitably your recognition will be worse, causing your times to become slower, so you can't really isolate what's causing the time difference... I think if you just used the same method, with the new cube, for a week or two, then that might be interesting, because you'll be able to see the difference that comes from your new fingertricks

 

[Cubeologist]

I went straight from a Rubik's to a Guhong and I am really glad that I did. I am not sure why fast people tell slower people to use bad cubes. I learned a lot of control just from practicing with a cube that was faster than I was.

 

[Parity Case]

I went straight from a Rubik's to a Guhong and I am really glad that I did. I am not sure why fast people tell slower people to use bad cubes. I learned a lot of control just from practicing with a cube that was faster than I was.

Same. Bad cubes (e.g., the classic Rubik's Cube) are more likely to cause wrist injuries as they put more strain on the wrist in the long run (poor turning due to higher friction, bumpiness, frequent locking, etc.). That should be enough reason alone for anyone interested in speed-cubing to get a decent cube (which is likely cheaper than a Rubik's Cube anyhow). Injured wrists definitely slow cubers down...

 

[Dane man]

Do one or the other - if you're learning new algs/steps then inevitably your recognition will be worse, causing your times to become slower, so you can't really isolate what's causing the time difference... I think if you just used the same method, with the new cube, for a week or two, then that might be interesting, because you'll be able to see the difference that comes from your new fingertricks

Yeah, I'm kinda thinkin' on doin' that for the first little bit. The problem is, is that the cube I have now has literally no leeway for corner cutting, and so I get lock-ups all the time. When I don't get lockups, everything goes super smoothly. So my theory is that when I don't have to worry about lockups, I can start speeding up because I could only go slow with lock-ups, either because I had to be careful, or because it simply hurts to much to speedily slam a turn into a lock.

I'm also with dsbias and Parity Case. It makes no sense to have someone use a slower cube simply because "They're slower". I feel my cube severely limits me.

 

[applemobile]

Getting a new better cube? You are absolutely crazy.

 

[sneaklyfox]

I went from 1:40 to 1:15 in about a week when I switched from a rubik's brand to a Zhanchi (without learning anything new), though the difference between 1:40 and 1:15 isn't nearly the same as the difference between 35 and 25.

Actually it's about the same percent-wise.
1:40 to 1:15 is 25% improvement
35 to 25 is 28.5% improvement

But you're right because of learning curve.

 

[QQW]

When you are not a sub 30 speedcuber your tps would be slow and cube control won't matter anyway. the faster a cube you use, the better and faster your fingertricks will develop, considering the little force you have to apply on the cube to use them.


And according to my research isn't the MoYu HuanYing the fastes cube on the market currently, followed by the Weilong? I have never touched any of them(maybe a Weilong in a competition, I'm not sure) before, so I can't tell, but I bought a HuanYing from Lightake(really cheap $7.11).

 

[Rocky0701]

When you are not a sub 30 speedcuber your tps would be slow and cube control won't matter anyway. the faster a cube you use, the better and faster your fingertricks will develop, considering the little force you have to apply on the cube to use them.


And according to my research isn't the MoYu HuanYing the fastes cube on the market currently, followed by the Weilong? I have never touched any of them(maybe a Weilong in a competition, I'm not sure) before, so I can't tell, but I bought a HuanYing from Lightake(really cheap $7.11).

I would say WeiLong is second best and AoLong is best. I have heard that the Huanying is really good though. Pretty much any Moyu cube is awesome.