mr. giggums
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No robots (the good one's at least) solve with only two steps instead of four. The steps are reducing to <U,D,F2,B2,R2,L2> and then solving the rest.
See here for more details.
[Help Thread] Human Thistlethwaite Discussion and Help
No robots (the good one's at least) solve with only two steps instead of four. The steps are reducing to <U,D,F2,B2,R2,L2> and then solving the rest.
See here for more details.
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Oh fail! I meant the Thistlethwaite algorithm, not Human Thistlethwaite Algorithm.
How is speed HTA different from regular HTA? Are there less steps? If there are, what are the steps used in speed HTA?
How is speed HTA different from regular HTA? Are there less steps? If there are, what are the steps used in speed HTA?
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Just using intuitive algs (I didn't know how to build commutators at this point), if I focused on using the least amount of turns in each step, but focusing only step by step, I was almost always using 54htm.
HTA looked interesting so I tried it for a while. Never got fast or super low turn counts, but it was fun from an abstract point of view. Good primer on basic group theory with cubes.
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
Steps will be the same but using large alg sets for the various steps.
Orienting corners: normally done per layer
With a 200+ alg set you can orient all corners at once (algs must keep EO and E slice edges must stay in E)
Alg length 6 - 10 HTM (or 11, don't have the list on this PC; will edit later)
Fix bad edges:
Alg set vs fully intuitive
End game:
Alg set vs semi intuitive (how intuitive are edge commutators?)
I never solve HTA for speed and will admit that my low movecount solutions posted in this thread were not done linearly.
I find HTA a nice method for "puzzling", trying different options for the various steps to try to come to a short solution.
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
fmc.mustcube.net 353:
Scramble: B' L D2 F' B R D R L' B2 L D2 B2 R' U' L2 R' D2 L' D' U B' D U' B2 R2 L U2 R U2
F2 D' F' (EO)
R F2 D' R L' D L' (edges and 4 corners)
F U2 F2 U' F2 U' F2 U2 F (well know OLL to finish corners)
U F2 U' L2 U' . (separate U/D corners)
F2 U F2 U2 L2 U L2 (pair corners with ortega)
L2 U2 D2 R2 (4 edges)
R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D (4 edges) leaves U perm
At . insert F2 L’ R U2 R’ L (no cancellations but much better than U perm)
(I left in all the cancellations for clarification)
Final with cancellations:
F2 D' F' R F2 D' R L' D L' F U2 F2 U' F2 U' F2 U2 F U F2 U' L2 U' F2 L’ R U2 R’ L F2 U F2 U2 L2 U’ D2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D = 42 HTM
Decided to ignore the bad edges...
Scramble: B' L D2 F' B R D R L' B2 L D2 B2 R' U' L2 R' D2 L' D' U B' D U' B2 R2 L U2 R U2
F2 D' F' (EO)
R F2 D' R L' D L' (edges and 4 corners)
F U2 F2 U' F2 U' F2 U2 F (well know OLL to finish corners)
U F2 U' L2 U' . (separate U/D corners)
F2 U F2 U2 L2 U L2 (pair corners with ortega)
L2 U2 D2 R2 (4 edges)
R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D (4 edges) leaves U perm
At . insert F2 L’ R U2 R’ L (no cancellations but much better than U perm)
(I left in all the cancellations for clarification)
Final with cancellations:
F2 D' F' R F2 D' R L' D L' F U2 F2 U' F2 U' F2 U2 F U F2 U' L2 U' F2 L’ R U2 R’ L F2 U F2 U2 L2 U’ D2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D = 42 HTM
Decided to ignore the bad edges...
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
Weekly comp 29
(inverse scramble) L B U2 D L2 U' R2 F' R U' F2 U R F B' R2 F' L
D' F2 L' B' (EO, note the F2 insertion) 4
R D' B2 L D2 B2 (solve U/D edges and complete a U/D face) 10
B' D2 B D B' D B (this is why it pays off to know your Sune's) 16
B2 L2 B2 D (pair up and align corners) 19
R2 D L2 R2 U' R2 (fix bad edges) 25
R' L B2 R L' D2 (edge cycle) 30
D2 F2 U' D' R2 U D F2 (swap 2 edge pairs)
Final solution for inverse scramble:
D' F2 L' B' R D' B2 L D2 B D2 B D B' D B' L2 B2 D R2 D L2 R2 U' R L B2 R L' F2 U' D' R2 U D F2 = 36 HTM
OK, I admit:
my initial solution was 40 HTM because of a sub optimal edge pair swap...
Atilla Horvath was kind enough to open my eyes :tu
(inverse scramble) L B U2 D L2 U' R2 F' R U' F2 U R F B' R2 F' L
D' F2 L' B' (EO, note the F2 insertion) 4
R D' B2 L D2 B2 (solve U/D edges and complete a U/D face) 10
B' D2 B D B' D B (this is why it pays off to know your Sune's) 16
B2 L2 B2 D (pair up and align corners) 19
R2 D L2 R2 U' R2 (fix bad edges) 25
R' L B2 R L' D2 (edge cycle) 30
D2 F2 U' D' R2 U D F2 (swap 2 edge pairs)
Final solution for inverse scramble:
D' F2 L' B' R D' B2 L D2 B D2 B D B' D B' L2 B2 D R2 D L2 R2 U' R L B2 R L' F2 U' D' R2 U D F2 = 36 HTM
OK, I admit:
my initial solution was 40 HTM because of a sub optimal edge pair swap...
Atilla Horvath was kind enough to open my eyes :tu
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Cubenovice
Forever Slow
THX for posting, it is nice to see that HTA is getting more attention.
Some tips for your next video:
- clearly explain the consecutive steps in HTA
EO
solve UD cross
orient corners (using Heises two-twist and or regular OLL)
separate U/D corners (intuitive)
pair up corners (typically with Ortega)
fix bad edges (explain what bad edges are and how to solve)
solve edges (possible just using 180° turns but not requirted)
- you should consider solving in a more common cube orientation, at least use white or yellow on top
- even Heise mentions that it is OK to use shortcuts in the final step
- use rehearsed solves so you can focus on teaching instead of solving (prepare your story)
- cover various cases of EO and bad edge fix
That H perm made me cringe though...
an M2 set up into an alg that starts with M2?
Some tips for your next video:
- clearly explain the consecutive steps in HTA
EO
solve UD cross
orient corners (using Heises two-twist and or regular OLL)
separate U/D corners (intuitive)
pair up corners (typically with Ortega)
fix bad edges (explain what bad edges are and how to solve)
solve edges (possible just using 180° turns but not requirted)
- you should consider solving in a more common cube orientation, at least use white or yellow on top
- even Heise mentions that it is OK to use shortcuts in the final step
- use rehearsed solves so you can focus on teaching instead of solving (prepare your story)
- cover various cases of EO and bad edge fix
That H perm made me cringe though...
an M2 set up into an alg that starts with M2?
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
More example solves, enjoy:
Example solve thread #1170
scramble F U2 B L2 D2 L2 F R2 F D2 F2 D' R2 B2 L' D U B U2 R' F'
D U' L' B (EO) 4
R' D' L' (U/D edges and one face) 7
L' D2 L D L' D L' (Sune competes 2 faces) 13
U' L2 (separate U/D corners) 15
F D' F R2 F' D F' (pair up corners) 22
L2 R2 D L2 R2 (fix bad edges, leave L7E) 27
R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (3 edges) 31
L2 D2 R' L' B2 R L D2 (swap two edge pairs) 39
Example solve thread #1183
scramble: F2 R2 D F2 L2 D' R2 U2 R2 U' R F2 U' B' D2 B' R D2 F D' R'
D B' R2 F (EO) 4
L' B2 R2 U' R F2 (U/D edges + orient 4 corners) 10
R D2 R2 D' R2 D' R2 D2 R (orient 4 corners) 19
R F' R B2 R' F R B2 R2 (pair up corners) 27
R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (1 HTM edge swap to fix bad edges) 28
D' R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (edge swap to fix and solve bad edges) 35
U' L' U2 D2 R2 U2 D2 L' D U2 (edge swap + align faces) 45
Alg Garron:
D B' R2 F L' B2 R2 U' R F2 R D2 R2 D' R2 D' R2 D2 R R F' R B2 R' F R B2 R2 R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 D' R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 U' L' U2 D2 R2 U2 D2 L' D U2
Example solve thread #1185
Scramble L2 F2 L' B2 D2 F' L' R' F2 D' F2 R' U2 R' L B' L2 U2 R D B2 U F' U2 B2
R U D L' F' (EO) 4
B2 R2 D2 R (edges) 8
R' U' R U' R' U2 R (corners) 13
R2 U' R' U L2 U' R (corners) 19
R U' R F2 R' U R' (pair up corners) 25
U' D B2 U D' R2 (edge cycle) 31
D' B2 (set up) 33
D' R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D' (edge swap) 40
B2 U (align stuff) 42
not fixing bad edges is not always a bad idea
Alg Garron: R U D L' F'B2 R2 D2U' R U' R' U2 R'U' R' U L2 U' R2U' R F2 R' U R'U' D B2 U D' R2D' B2D' R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D' B2 U
Weekly forum competition 2011-31
Scramble U2 B' U' B' D B' U L B D' B F' L B R2 B' U2 R'
U’ F D’ L’ B (EO) 5
L’ U’ L’ D R2 D2 R’ D2 L2 (edges and face) 14
L U L’ U L U2 L . (Sune for last three corners) 20
F2 U B2 (separate U/D corners) 23
U’ B2 U B2 U2 R2 U R2 (pair up corners) 31
F2 B2 D (fix bad edges, leave pseudo ending) 34
R’ L U2 R L’ (edge cycle magically solves part of pseudoness) 39
F2 (undo pseudoness, leaves three edges) 40
At . insert U’ D R2 D’ U F2 to cancel 3 moves U F2 F2 U = U2 to make 43
final solution:
U’ F D’ L’ B L’ U’ L’ D R2 D2 R’ D2 L’ U L’ U L U2 L U’ D R2 D’ U2 B2 U’ B2 U B2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 B2 D R’ L U2 R L’ F2 = 43 HTM
Example solve thread #1170
scramble F U2 B L2 D2 L2 F R2 F D2 F2 D' R2 B2 L' D U B U2 R' F'
D U' L' B (EO) 4
R' D' L' (U/D edges and one face) 7
L' D2 L D L' D L' (Sune competes 2 faces) 13
U' L2 (separate U/D corners) 15
F D' F R2 F' D F' (pair up corners) 22
L2 R2 D L2 R2 (fix bad edges, leave L7E) 27
R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (3 edges) 31
L2 D2 R' L' B2 R L D2 (swap two edge pairs) 39
Example solve thread #1183
scramble: F2 R2 D F2 L2 D' R2 U2 R2 U' R F2 U' B' D2 B' R D2 F D' R'
D B' R2 F (EO) 4
L' B2 R2 U' R F2 (U/D edges + orient 4 corners) 10
R D2 R2 D' R2 D' R2 D2 R (orient 4 corners) 19
R F' R B2 R' F R B2 R2 (pair up corners) 27
R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (1 HTM edge swap to fix bad edges) 28
D' R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 (edge swap to fix and solve bad edges) 35
U' L' U2 D2 R2 U2 D2 L' D U2 (edge swap + align faces) 45
Alg Garron:
D B' R2 F L' B2 R2 U' R F2 R D2 R2 D' R2 D' R2 D2 R R F' R B2 R' F R B2 R2 R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 D' R2 B2 R2 B2 R2 B2 U' L' U2 D2 R2 U2 D2 L' D U2
Example solve thread #1185
Scramble L2 F2 L' B2 D2 F' L' R' F2 D' F2 R' U2 R' L B' L2 U2 R D B2 U F' U2 B2
R U D L' F' (EO) 4
B2 R2 D2 R (edges) 8
R' U' R U' R' U2 R (corners) 13
R2 U' R' U L2 U' R (corners) 19
R U' R F2 R' U R' (pair up corners) 25
U' D B2 U D' R2 (edge cycle) 31
D' B2 (set up) 33
D' R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D' (edge swap) 40
B2 U (align stuff) 42
not fixing bad edges is not always a bad idea
Alg Garron: R U D L' F'B2 R2 D2U' R U' R' U2 R'U' R' U L2 U' R2U' R F2 R' U R'U' D B2 U D' R2D' B2D' R2 L2 U2 R2 L2 D' B2 U
Weekly forum competition 2011-31
Scramble U2 B' U' B' D B' U L B D' B F' L B R2 B' U2 R'
U’ F D’ L’ B (EO) 5
L’ U’ L’ D R2 D2 R’ D2 L2 (edges and face) 14
L U L’ U L U2 L . (Sune for last three corners) 20
F2 U B2 (separate U/D corners) 23
U’ B2 U B2 U2 R2 U R2 (pair up corners) 31
F2 B2 D (fix bad edges, leave pseudo ending) 34
R’ L U2 R L’ (edge cycle magically solves part of pseudoness) 39
F2 (undo pseudoness, leaves three edges) 40
At . insert U’ D R2 D’ U F2 to cancel 3 moves U F2 F2 U = U2 to make 43
final solution:
U’ F D’ L’ B L’ U’ L’ D R2 D2 R’ D2 L’ U L’ U L U2 L U’ D R2 D’ U2 B2 U’ B2 U B2 U2 R2 U R2 F2 B2 D R’ L U2 R L’ F2 = 43 HTM
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Not only did I do the unnecessary M2, I messed up the H perm :fp
miotatsu
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some info on AHTA
First step: EO
like EOLine except without the line. good tutorial here http://cube.crider.co.uk/?p=eoline
Second step: equator
here is how I do this step: I find/place a pair of edges that need to be fixed onto the L/R slice (I use F and B for the EO so I am free to turn L and R in the next step). Next I find a U/D color and place it above the pair, and place the opposite color below. now when you place the two U/D edges it also partially solves your equator. usually doing this you either end up with a nearly solved E slice or solved.
Third step: corner orientation
for a very long time now I have been wondering about the algs for this. I was convinced up until yesterday that I would at some point need to generate them myself. However, I stumbled upon this by chance:
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...Long-Comeau-Belt-Method)-Guide-and-Algorithms
The parity+EPOCLL step of this method is exactly what is needed for AHTA.
Fourth step: corner permutation
There are only 5 cases, I generated my own algs for these but it would be very easy to generate others if you do not care for these:
if D is solved do Y or J perms on U, else you will have one of these 3:
Double J: (place the correct corners on L)
F2 U' R2 U D R2 D' F2
Double Y: (no setup needed)
F U' R' B' L2 B R U F'
YJ: (place the correct pair on top left)
F' L U L F D2 F' L' U' L' F
Fifth step: edges
I do this intuitively, you can use things along the lines of M2 U2 M2 U2
(note that it should be easy to generate algs for all cases though, there are not that many)
Final step: edges
again, should be easy to generate algs for it but I use intuitive edge commutators and an occasional H-perm
I hope this information helps anyone else out there interested in AHTA
First step: EO
like EOLine except without the line. good tutorial here http://cube.crider.co.uk/?p=eoline
Second step: equator
here is how I do this step: I find/place a pair of edges that need to be fixed onto the L/R slice (I use F and B for the EO so I am free to turn L and R in the next step). Next I find a U/D color and place it above the pair, and place the opposite color below. now when you place the two U/D edges it also partially solves your equator. usually doing this you either end up with a nearly solved E slice or solved.
Third step: corner orientation
for a very long time now I have been wondering about the algs for this. I was convinced up until yesterday that I would at some point need to generate them myself. However, I stumbled upon this by chance:
http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...Long-Comeau-Belt-Method)-Guide-and-Algorithms
The parity+EPOCLL step of this method is exactly what is needed for AHTA.
Fourth step: corner permutation
There are only 5 cases, I generated my own algs for these but it would be very easy to generate others if you do not care for these:
if D is solved do Y or J perms on U, else you will have one of these 3:
Double J: (place the correct corners on L)
F2 U' R2 U D R2 D' F2
Double Y: (no setup needed)
F U' R' B' L2 B R U F'
YJ: (place the correct pair on top left)
F' L U L F D2 F' L' U' L' F
Fifth step: edges
I do this intuitively, you can use things along the lines of M2 U2 M2 U2
(note that it should be easy to generate algs for all cases though, there are not that many)
Final step: edges
again, should be easy to generate algs for it but I use intuitive edge commutators and an occasional H-perm
I hope this information helps anyone else out there interested in AHTA
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
THX for sharing; HTA needs more love!
Some feedback/questions on your steps:
Second step: equator
I always look at this step as "solving U/D corners"
Do you think one of the "mindsets" has advantages over the other?
Third step: corner orientation
LCBM has been briefly discussed further up the thread.
My personal feelings though are that using such a large alg set goes a little against the spirit of Human Thistlethwaite.
Do you actually use this alg set or do you use regular OLL and or Heise's two twist?
I use both.
In some cases like Pi OLL the Heise alg with set up actually saves moves!
Fourth step: corner permutation
Props for finding your own algs but please have a look at these common Ortega algs, they may save you some moves
Double J: (place the correct corners on L)
F2 U' R2 U D R2 D' F2
Ortega: (place the correct corners on F) R2 U R2 U2 F2 U F2 or the left handed version
Double Y: (no setup needed)
F U' R' B' L2 B R U F'
Ortega: (no setup needed) R2 F2 R2 or any variation of it
YJ: (place the correct pair on top left)
F' L U L F D2 F' L' U' L' F
Ortega (place correct corners on top F): R U' R F2 R' U R' or the left handed version
Why the alternative versions?
I prefer to pick the versions that cancel moves with the previous step
Fifth step: edges
" you can use things along the lines of M2 U2 M2 U2"
I suppose you mean "fix bad edges"
Typically you would use single move turns on U / D at this stage to bring the edges into the right orbit and exchange with M2.
Unless you perhaps use set up moves including F and B to enable edge pair swaps to fix edges? I sometimes do something similar with R2 U2 R2 U2 R2 U2.
You will find some in my example solves.
I will keep M2 U2 M2 U2 in mind as it provides an extra opportunity to cancel moves.
Final step: edges
yep, this is all about edge cycles and edge swaps including H-perm
When solving for Fewest Moves I like to insert the edge cycles to save extra moves.
Especially the equator edges are very likely to cancel moves as they are (obviously) in the same orbit for most of the solve. As a result you will have multiple situations where they can be cycled.
But to end the solve in true Thistlethwaite it is sometimes nice to end in all double turns.
Unfortunately this adds two moves to the edge 3-cycles...
miotatsu
Regular
Some feedback/questions on your steps:
Second step: equator
I always look at this step as "solving U/D corners"
Do you think one of the "mindsets" has advantages over the other?
Third step: corner orientation
Do you actually use this alg set or do you use regular OLL and or Heise's two twist?
I use both.
Fourth step: corner permutation
Props for finding your own algs but please have a look at these common Ortega algs, they may save you some moves
Fifth step: edges
" you can use things along the lines of M2 U2 M2 U2"
I suppose you mean "fix bad edges"
second step:
I think of it as making the crosses but at the same time I focus on setting up a solved or near solved equator. I don't think there is any advantage of one viewpoint over the other.
third step:
as I have just found this set recently I only have learned a couple of the algs. I do plan on using the full set. normally up until this point and until I know a fair amount of them I solve using the standard OLL algs. My old system was like this:
OCLL, flip cube, OCLL, use Heise's two corner swapper if there was parity.
it never occurred to me to fix the parity beforehand heh
Fourth step:
dang I had no idea about those ortega algs. I will definitely start using those!
Fifth step:
that was a typo on my end, I meant single U turns, not double. that is just an example of fixing 4 bad edges on U
glad for the feedback and very excited about those ortega algs, thanks
edit: those ortega algs do not preserve E, still nice though.
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Fourth step:
Double J:
R2 U R2 U2 F2 U F2
Double Y:
F U' R' B' L2 B R U F'
or the modified ortega version which is maybe more finger trick friendly:
R2 F2 R2 F2 U' D' R2 U D F2
YJ:
F' L U L F D2 F' L' U' L' F (ortega alg does nor preserve equator, adding a fix would be overkill)
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Cubenovice
Forever Slow
True, the Ortega algs do not preserve the E slice but who cares?
The E slice is never more than a fast 6 mover away from solved and can be solved together with U/D edges.
The E slice is never more than a fast 6 mover away from solved and can be solved together with U/D edges.
miotatsu
Regular
I agree that for normal HTA the ortega algs are better. for AHTA however the equator is done right after EO and must be preserved for the remainder of the solve.
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
I feel that solving the equator reduces the opportunities for combining step 2 and 3.
Check my weekly comp 33 solution below, it has 12 moves for EO and orienting all corners ;-)
scramble U2 L2 B2 D F2 L' D2 F' R' L F2 D2 R' B' L F B' U2 (= inverse of comp scramble)
D2 B2 L2 B (EO) 4
R2 U2 R U D' L D L ( U/D edges, note the U to orient all corners) 12
B2 . D' R2 D' B2 (separate corners into U / D layers) 17
R2 U' R2 U2 B2 U' B2 (pair up corners, leaves 4 bad edges) 24
at . insert B2 L2 R2 F2 L2 R2 to fix bad edges, solve some and cacel 3 moves 27
D (ADF leaves 6 edges) 28
D2 R L B2 R L U2 L2 (last 6 edges via a modification of Atilla's pair swap alg) 35
With cancellations:
D2 B2 L2 B R2 U2 R U D' L D L' R2 F2 L2 R2 D' R2 D' B2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 U' B2 D' R L B2 R L U2 L2 = 35 HTM
Check my weekly comp 33 solution below, it has 12 moves for EO and orienting all corners ;-)
scramble U2 L2 B2 D F2 L' D2 F' R' L F2 D2 R' B' L F B' U2 (= inverse of comp scramble)
D2 B2 L2 B (EO) 4
R2 U2 R U D' L D L ( U/D edges, note the U to orient all corners) 12
B2 . D' R2 D' B2 (separate corners into U / D layers) 17
R2 U' R2 U2 B2 U' B2 (pair up corners, leaves 4 bad edges) 24
at . insert B2 L2 R2 F2 L2 R2 to fix bad edges, solve some and cacel 3 moves 27
D (ADF leaves 6 edges) 28
D2 R L B2 R L U2 L2 (last 6 edges via a modification of Atilla's pair swap alg) 35
With cancellations:
D2 B2 L2 B R2 U2 R U D' L D L' R2 F2 L2 R2 D' R2 D' B2 R2 U' R2 U2 B2 U' B2 D' R L B2 R L U2 L2 = 35 HTM
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
Guimond style corner orientation algs for HTA:
- Corners and edges permute
- keep EO
- keep edges in correct orbits
First orient 3 corners on D face, then orient the remaining 1 to 5 corners in a single alg
Set 1: misoriented sticker on FDL:
- L D' R2 D L standard 2-twist from Ryan Heise's tutorial
- R' D R2 D' R2 D R
- R' F2 U' F2 U R makes a nice <FRU> after y'
- B' R2 D R2 D' B
- R B2 R D' L' D' L
- F U2 F U F' U F makes a nice <RU> after y'
- R D L' D B2 L' D R
- F' U' F' U' D' F U2 F makes a nice <RUD> after y'
AUF chosen so (apart from the last 2 cases obviously) there is always a solved corner on UFL
AUF for last two: Both misoriented corners point to F
Reason: recognition
Set 2: misoriented sticker on FDR: will add later
These are just the top algs from the list I got from Jaap; I received multiple algs per case.
Will look through the list for more fingertricky algs later.
Eventually I will make up a list with diagrams.
Has anyone got a link to nice diagrams of the Guimond U layer orientations?
- Corners and edges permute
- keep EO
- keep edges in correct orbits
First orient 3 corners on D face, then orient the remaining 1 to 5 corners in a single alg
Set 1: misoriented sticker on FDL:
- L D' R2 D L standard 2-twist from Ryan Heise's tutorial
- R' D R2 D' R2 D R
- R' F2 U' F2 U R makes a nice <FRU> after y'
- B' R2 D R2 D' B
- R B2 R D' L' D' L
- F U2 F U F' U F makes a nice <RU> after y'
- R D L' D B2 L' D R
- F' U' F' U' D' F U2 F makes a nice <RUD> after y'
AUF chosen so (apart from the last 2 cases obviously) there is always a solved corner on UFL
AUF for last two: Both misoriented corners point to F
Reason: recognition
Set 2: misoriented sticker on FDR: will add later
These are just the top algs from the list I got from Jaap; I received multiple algs per case.
Will look through the list for more fingertricky algs later.
Eventually I will make up a list with diagrams.
Has anyone got a link to nice diagrams of the Guimond U layer orientations?
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Kirjava
Colourful
current avg12: 36.80 (C = 5.01)
has anyone ever sub20'd with this god damn method?
has anyone ever sub20'd with this god damn method?
Cubenovice
Forever Slow
Why does it always have to be about speed?
Right... Speedsolving.com
Thom,
correct me if Im wrong but doesn't your experience in Roux help with quick recognition of edges the endgame?
But I understand that having the edges all over the place makes for nasty recognition.
Kirjava
Colourful
yeah, the ending is my fastest part, human kociemba helps too
I think my biggest problem is with EO efficiency and corners in general
you'll see why I'm going for speed soon enough
I think my biggest problem is with EO efficiency and corners in general
you'll see why I'm going for speed soon enough
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