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[Help Thread] Hoya Discussion

Nilsibert said:
Thanks :) I'd really like to make something like a website about hoya, showing pictures of cases and the alg for it, but I have no idea how people do this :/
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This is a good idea. If no-one here has any experience with web design, then I am quite happy to look into it, but hopefully it would be a collaborative effort between as many Hoya users as possible.
 
Would I be right in saying that Hoya is:
  1. 4 centres (one of them cross center with the opposite unsolved)
  2. Cross edges
  3. L2C
  4. 323 edge pairing
  5. 3x3 stage?
My edges stage and cross is very slow, and I'm considering switching to Hoya.
 
ThomasJE said:
Would I be right in saying that Hoya is:
  1. 4 centres (one of them cross center with the opposite unsolved)
  2. Cross edges
  3. L2C
  4. 323 edge pairing
  5. 3x3 stage?
My edges stage and cross is very slow, and I'm considering switching to Hoya.
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Yep, that is how most of us do it. However, the inventor of hoya actually does his own variation of edge pairing I think? I have still to compare the two and see the pros and cons.
 
Nilsibert said:
Found an easy way to avoid the long insert. Or rather a better solution for the case: Rw U Rw' F Rw U' Rw'. Pretty easy and fast. And congrats to chree!
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Gooooood that's so good.

New Video Up... Inspired by Nilsibert's video where you started going over what to do with pieces in the U layer.

Y'all probably found a couple of these out already, but there might be something new for everybody.

Note: The sound cuts out for a few seconds around the 10 minute mark. All I say is "I don't like this way of doing this case I just showed you, I actually prefer to put the pieces in the back and..." then the sound comes back.

 
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Chree said:
Gooooood that's so good.

New Video Up... Inspired by Nilsibert's video where you started going over what to do with pieces in the U layer.

Y'all probably found a couple of these out already, but there might be something new for everybody.

Note: The sound cuts out for a few seconds around the 10 minute mark. All I say is "I don't like this way of doing this case I just showed you, I actually prefer to put the pieces in the back and..." then the sound comes back.

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Great video! Learned a few things for cases I use to struggle with :)
I just wish I discovered my shortcut earlier. I don't have much more right now to justify making another video :/

By the way I love how you pronounce my name :D I need to practice more again, but 3x3 is very important right now :rolleyes:
 
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Clarkeeyyy said:
This is a good idea. If no-one here has any experience with web design, then I am quite happy to look into it, but hopefully it would be a collaborative effort between as many Hoya users as possible.
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Just whipped this up with some free time. Obviously it is far from complete but I am definitely willing to improve on it. What other specific cases would we need algorithms for? I know there are still a few more cross edge cases I could throw in, as well as the last two centers algs. Let me know if you have good algs for any interesting case.
 
I'm really liking Hoya. The one thing that I found really confusing in the beginning was what color to do next after my cross color center. I kept finding myself building the wrong one and having to go back and switch before moving to 3x3 which was killing my times. My work around was after solving cross, to rotate to put on D, build my next center based on standard color scheme, and then u2 with top three layers to put it in the back and continue on with Hoya cross. Although I am not that fast (times in sig) I believe this helped a lot and brought my times down considerably (compared to screwing up and fixing) and eliminated the confusion of building the wrong center. Am I doing myself a big disservice by doing this? I figure its only adding one double rotation which is made up for by reducing time figuring out center color but should I just focus on the color scheme more and eliminate this now? I can figure out the center color fairly easily but it just takes time and adds a long pause that I tried to eliminate but is it just like everything else and will get better with practice and I should just do it while my times are slower so I don't have to relearn as I get faster?
 
sk8erman41 said:
I'm really liking Hoya. The one thing that I found really confusing in the beginning was what color to do next after my cross color center. I kept finding myself building the wrong one and having to go back and switch before moving to 3x3 which was killing my times. My work around was after solving cross, to rotate to put on D, build my next center based on standard color scheme, and then u2 with top three layers to put it in the back and continue on with Hoya cross. Although I am not that fast (times in sig) I believe this helped a lot and brought my times down considerably (compared to screwing up and fixing) and eliminated the confusion of building the wrong center. Am I doing myself a big disservice by doing this? I figure its only adding one double rotation which is made up for by reducing time figuring out center color but should I just focus on the color scheme more and eliminate this now? I can figure out the center color fairly easily but it just takes time and adds a long pause that I tried to eliminate but is it just like everything else and will get better with practice and I should just do it while my times are slower so I don't have to relearn as I get faster?
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What you could do: If you start with red/orange, put red on L always, do white, and you know that you have to do blue. The same goes for blue/green start: Put blue always on L and you know that orange comes after white(if you do the color down from white as the 4th center)
Of course this also works the other way around.
 
Nilsibert said:
What you could do: If you start with red/orange, put red on L always, do white, and you know that you have to do blue. The same goes for blue/green start: Put blue always on L and you know that orange comes after white(if you do the color down from white as the 4th center)
Of course this also works the other way around.
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Yeah, I was trying to "memorize" this way and it works, but was more effort than just putting white on bottom but I think I'll probably just buck up and practice more this way. I don't think it'll make a huge difference time wise, but is more efficient and should be the goal.
 
i switched from yau to hoya 2 days ago (only on 4x4) and i have to say that it is awesome. i hadnt had much fun solving with yau and my times were very inconsistent (avg at sub 1:20) and now i do hoya for 2 days and i already got a 1:19 avg of 5 and way more consistent times (except i fail because im not too familiar with the method right now but that will go away so i dont care) this will definitely be my main method on 4x4. :D
 
Got my 2nd sub-1 the other day and new PB: 59.37... gotta get out of that 59 seconds hole now. But I'm taking a break from 4x4 and putting more practice into OH and 5x5.

sk8erman41 said:
Yeah, I was trying to "memorize" this way and it works, but was more effort than just putting white on bottom but I think I'll probably just buck up and practice more this way. I don't think it'll make a huge difference time wise, but is more efficient and should be the goal.
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My friend Barry, also a Hoya user, uses the approach Nilsibert suggested, and it's very effective at preventing the issue you described.

Branching off of that, Nilsibert suggested "If Red is on left, Last Center is Blue... and if Blue is on left, Last Center is Orange". You can also think in terms of opposites, which completes the set: "If Orange is on left, Last Center is Green... and if Green is on left, Last Center is Red".

Intimate familiarity with your color scheme is what it all comes down to... and the more you practice with color neutrality, the less you have to think about it.

ILMZS20 said:
i switched from yau to hoya 2 days ago (only on 4x4) and i have to say that it is awesome. i hadnt had much fun solving with yau and my times were very inconsistent (avg at sub 1:20) and now i do hoya for 2 days and i already got a 1:19 avg of 5 and way more consistent times (except i fail because im not too familiar with the method right now but that will go away so i dont care) this will definitely be my main method on 4x4. :D
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Welcome to the fold! What did you average with Yau?

dbax0999 said:
Just whipped this up with some free time. Obviously it is far from complete but I am definitely willing to improve on it. What other specific cases would we need algorithms for? I know there are still a few more cross edge cases I could throw in, as well as the last two centers algs. Let me know if you have good algs for any interesting case.
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I love this idea, and want to contribute. I can whip up some algs for some of the cases in my videos. Is there any particular format you would prefer them in?
 
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MarcelP said:
Awesome!! We need the cases from this video: http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/s...oya-Discussion&p=942444&viewfull=1#post942444
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Just added some of the cases.

I love this idea, and want to contribute. I can whip up some algs for some of the cases in my videos. Is there any particular format you would prefer them in?
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If you want to help me compile these algs, layout out a case in VisualCube and write the alg to solve it.

Here is an example of one of the cases I already made, keep everything the same except for the variable fd: http://cube.crider.co.uk/visualcube...nnnrrnfrrnnrrnnnnnnffnnffdnfnntddtdttddttdtdd

I'll continue to add some more when I have more free time.

Hoya army!
 
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