Help! fridrich questions, and a few other randoms questions

[waffle=ijm]

probably because you didn't finish 4a.

 

[crstdvnc]

Bob Burton's page FTW, i learned fridrich from his page ---> http://www.cubewhiz.com/

 

[jiggy]

ROUX IS A *****! lol step 4b in this http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/rouxmethod.htm tutorial is kicking my ****ing ass. please please please give me some advice peoples. i always end up with a situation that looks to me nothing even remotely similar to the situations described :/

It's pretty hard to say without a bit more information. Can you post a picture or describe your problem?

I'll offer some generic tips for 4b:
As waffle said, have you oriented all the edges? (Step 4a)
If so, your goal in 4b is to solve the edge pieces for up-left and up-right. Stop for a second, where are they on the cube? Your immediate goal is to move them in some way such that they are opposite each other. This will make them very easy to insert into the correct positions.

Pretty much your worst case is that both are on the top layer, positioned adjacent to each other.

(If you don't have this case, keep reading because we'll get to the case you do have eventually.)

Even this "worst case" isn't that bad, a simple M2 moves the green edge down to the bottom layer. Now we have one on the top layer and one on the bottom. This is progress, as it is very easy to move from this position to our desired sub-goal of positioning the two edges opposite to each other.

At present, you would have something like this:

(NOTE: It's ok to do a U turn to set up your top layer at this point. Also, you might notice that the blue and green edges have 'swapped' positions in this diagram. This is completely trivial, don't worry about it.)

Now, as stated in the tutorial, it's a simple case of M U2 M' to position these two edges opposite each other.

Use the M slice to position your two edges on to the bottom layer. Hopefully, you can now see that if you correctly position the U layer before performing an M2, your two edges will end up on the top layer, and ideally in the correct positions. An easy mistake to make is the following:

If you find yourself in this situation, perform an M2 to move your two edges to the bottom layer, followed by a U2 to switch around the top layer corners, and finally another M2 to re-position the edges.


I hope that helped. At times, in my description I may have left out some intuitive U turns or near identical cases. Hopefully you can recognise these yourself. I hope that answered any questions you had, let me know if not (with as much detail as possible, pictures would be ideal) and one of us will step in and help you. Good luck! =)

 

[unirox13]

Well after about 35ish min's of just fiddling with the cube and re-readin the directions countless times i have managed to solve using roux about 8 times so far. however i seem to be getting UL and UR edge pieces more by dumb luck than by skill. even when i concentrate on what's happening i don't really seem to comprehend how i managed to get it correct. lol my question to you is. do the UL and UR pieces, in my case red and orange respectively, gave to be facing the correct direction when they're adjacent from one another? basically what i'm keep ending up with is the pieces are in the correct spots, just not facing the correct way. so the red/white and orange/white edge will be properly placed, but the piece is upside down. or one of thepieces is upside down and the other is correct. does that make sense?

can i continue on with my solve so long as the UR and UL edges are in the proper place even if they're not facing the same direction? sorry about no picture, if nobody understands what i mean by what i just said i'll find a cube simulator online and show you all that way.

thanks a lot for all your help(and patience) i really am enjoying learning Roux. although i wish i had learned it from the start. maybe someone should create a complete beginners guide to Roux. so that someone with no knowledge of cubing could sit down and learn it. it would have to include a lot of specific detals but would be a great learning tool for ne people.

 

[jiggy]

It sounds like you haven't completed step 4a fully yet. By the end of 4a, all of your last 6 edges should be correctly orientated. I'd advise you re-read section 4a, and in particular pay close attention to the examples waffle gives there, they give really a good overview how to recognise and fix bad edges. You should also check out this page which gives a list of algs to fix the orientation of the L6E for every possible case.

Best of luck!

 

[unirox13]

It sounds like you haven't completed step 4a fully yet. By the end of 4a, all of your last 6 edges should be correctly orientated. I'd advise you re-read section 4a, and in particular pay close attention to the examples waffle gives there, they give really a good overview how to recognise and fix bad edges. You should also check out this page which gives a list of algs to fix the orientation of the L6E for every possible case.

Best of luck!

all of the edges are oriented, i even watched like 3 different video tutorials including waffles. my issue comes when performing step 4b, the UL and UR orientations. after swappeing them and getting them diagonal and then swapping them again and getting them adjacent to one another the left and right colors, red and orange respectively are not facing the left and the right. they are instead both or sometimes only on facing up while the white side of that edge(my top color) is facing out. is there an easy fix for that or is it just that i've done the orientation of them incorrectly? sorry about not posting pictures of this. i'm at work so i'm not able too. if someone could link me to a online cube that would allow me to plug in my own colors i'll show you what i mean.

Max

 

[jiggy]

So is this the kind of thing you're seeing? If so, in that example the UL and UR edges are not orientated correctly. If not, you can input what you can see on your cube on this site. I'm don't think that you can link me to what you see though. Perhaps you could take a print screen of what you input and post that up here?

If not, maybe someone else knows a better site? If you can figure it out, you can also generate an image of your cube here.

 

[unirox13]

that is indeed what i'm seeing. lol is there a way to fix that simply or does it just mean that i've done step 4b wrong? is it just a matter of playing around with 4b and remember exactly how things are supposed to go and then using those things later as they come up? or is there some other part to that that i'm missing?

 

[jiggy]

Okey-dokey, yeah, those two edges are not orientated correctly, which means we have to go back to step 4a and fix those before continuing.
This case is basically:

Which is listed as "2 Bad Edges - UF/UB - March" on waffle's random naming page.
So this can be solved directly with R U R' U' M' U R U' r', or cycled.

As you orientate the edges, it's likely that you'll move them around too. As such, you'll probably have to repeat 4b. It doesn't seem like you have any issues with that step though! =)

 

[unirox13]

alright so i wasn't messing up nearly as badly as i thought lol so basically 4b is a little bit of trial and error (and making sure i follow the rules regarding how i have to move after making M/M' moves, which i only now noticed lol). thanks you again so so so much for your patience with me jiggy, and helping me to understand this. i really enjoy roux, and i've already noticed it helping me a little with my LBL solves. one last question, is there anyway for me to force the setups of all the bad edge combos so as to begin learning how to orient them all without use of the cheat sheet?

 

[jiggy]

No worries, boss. Helping people is my favourite thing about this site. Roux is a great method, and really fun to solve with! You'll find the more you play around with it, you'll discover little short cuts and develop a real intuition for L6E.

Often, if you execute an alg, it will take you to the case it will solve. (Sometimes you will have to execute it more than once, however.) Alternately, you can work out the inverse of the alg (so R U R' U R U2 R' would become R U2 R' U' R U' R') and perform this to set up the desired case.

EDIT: In my opinion, the best way to learn an alg is just to execute it over and over and over, don't bother setting up the case.

 

[unirox13]

the alg are easy for this method. what i need to start memorizing is when to perform which alg. so i think i'll start using the inverse of the direct ones provided here http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/orientation.htm and then solving each situation as i would during a normal sove to help familiarize myself with where the bad edges need to be before performing the alg to solve them.