[Help Thread] FTO Discussion and Help

[Gecko777]

I just got the Diansheng the other day, and It's really quite fun! I can solve it about 60% of the time by myself but I get a little stuck on the last three triples and orientating them. #FTOforWCA

 

[Cubist-Guitar]

In what Benpuzzles video does Ben cover how to avoid ODD TCP? I still can’t understand it to the point I would like to, but I don’t want to just learn odd TCP since I don’t want to learn more algs rn (at least for the next 3 days). Any help would help

 

[OreKehStrah]

In what Benpuzzles video does Ben cover how to avoid ODD TCP? I still can’t understand it to the point I would like to, but I don’t want to just learn odd TCP since I don’t want to learn more algs rn (at least for the next 3 days). Any help would help

You don’t really need a video. Just make sure you only pair triangles with the correct corner, or all of them with an incorrect corner.

 

[xyzzy]

In what Benpuzzles video does Ben cover how to avoid ODD TCP? I still can’t understand it to the point I would like to, but I don’t want to just learn odd TCP since I don’t want to learn more algs rn (at least for the next 3 days). Any help would help

Forcing correct parity adds an extra sledge to OLP (4 moves), and you'll get a TCP that's 8 moves on average.

Doing 2-look TCP instead takes 4 moves plus 10 moves for triangle 2-swap. (You can always avoid the 2-flip case in 2-look TCP, except when you get an OLP skip, in which case you'd just do normal 2-look TCP anyway.)

To me it doesn't seem very worth it to avoid odd TCP since it saves only 2 moves (for the half of the time you get odd parity with normal OLP, so it's really only ~1 move on average) and shifts the parity recognition earlier when it's harder to do (and nearly impossible to look ahead into). Learning odd TCP seems like a better choice.

(I'm not sure if there is any OLP case where you can affect parity without using an extra sledge, but if there is, then yeah, you could avoid odd TCP "for free" for those such cases.)

 

[Cubist-Guitar]

Forcing correct parity adds an extra sledge to OLP (4 moves), and you'll get a TCP that's 8 moves on average.

Doing 2-look TCP instead takes 4 moves plus 10 moves for triangle 2-swap. (You can always avoid the 2-flip case in 2-look TCP, except when you get an OLP skip, in which case you'd just do normal 2-look TCP anyway.)

To me it doesn't seem very worth it to avoid odd TCP since it saves only 2 moves (for the half of the time you get odd parity with normal OLP, so it's really only ~1 move on average) and shifts the parity recognition earlier when it's harder to do (and nearly impossible to look ahead into). Learning odd TCP seems like a better choice.

(I'm not sure if there is any OLP case where you can affect parity without using an extra sledge, but if there is, then yeah, you could avoid odd TCP "for free" for those such cases.)

Wow, thank you. I’ll begin learning these cases tomorrow

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

I've learned piece-by-piece, as its much more intuitive for me. Any help with this case?

 

[precompsubwr]

I've learned piece-by-piece, as its much more intuitive for me. Any help with this case?View attachment 33848

I think you're supposed to solve that first... yeah you are supposed to solve that first
Also is that a furry dog

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

I think you're supposed to solve that first... yeah you are supposed to solve that first
Also is that a furry dog

I did try to solve that furst first. I did, in fact, solve that first. However, after getting to the last 3 edges, this happened:

Edit: NEVER MIND I GOT IT YOOOOOOOOO FIRST FTO SOLVE AND I GOT NO HELP

 

[Pyjam]

I've learned piece-by-piece, as its much more intuitive for me. Any help with this case?

U first, then with Green front / Purple top / Red right, cycle 3 triangles (2 of the same color) with:
R U R' U' M' U R U' Rw'

 

[CaptainK]

In what Benpuzzles video does Ben cover how to avoid ODD TCP? I still can’t understand it to the point I would like to, but I don’t want to just learn odd TCP since I don’t want to learn more algs rn (at least for the next 3 days). Any help would help

I guess this is a late reply, but Ben briefly covers this in his last 3 triples (L3T) video, just start at the offset pair formation (OPF) chapter. Basically, if the first corner-triangle pair is red-blue, make sure the second pair is NOT blue-red and NOT purple-purple. Like xyzzy said, you might need an extra sledge to set up an even permutation.

Ben goes into more detail in his one-look pair formation (OLP) video. In the document of algorithms, each case has two solutions. You can choose the solution that results in even TCP from the current permutation state, or choose the shortest solution if you know both odd and even TCP. (Hopefully I understood that correctly.)

 

[Chris Choi]

New Dayan fto image has come out, it looks really promising, espeically with the larger florian holes and the same color scheme as diansheng. credits to Larch cuber obviously. also, potentially core magnets, apparently?!?!

 

[Bingus Ringus McDingus]

New Dayan fto image has come out, it looks really promising, espeically with the larger florian holes and the same color scheme as diansheng. credits to Larch cuber obviously. also, potentially core magnets, apparently?!?!
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finally, octahedron but quiet

 

[LukasCubes]

okay so we're doing FTO MultiBLD now?

 

[OtaMota]

Congrats @TipsterTrickster

 

[Silky]

Congrats @TipsterTrickster
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LFG!!!! FTO4WCA <3

 

[LukasCubes]

here is an odd TCP algs I copied and pasted

{L, F} Rw' R U R' U' Rw {B, BL} U R' U' R

the letter in brackets; I understand they are rotations, but idk where to rotate in the alg.

Yes I learned all of even TCP and have no clue what rotations are on fto.

I need to know where to rotate please; thank you

 

[Fred]

From FTO Discord:
"I've compiled a list of usernames of unknown competitors who have competed in the SS weekly and/or cubers.io online competitions. If you are one of these users and would like to be featured on the FTO Online Competition rankings, please message or email me - benpuzzles ( at ) gmail ( dot ) com - and with the right evidence I'll add you. Note that your full name must be provided. Thanks!"

 

[precompsubwr]

From FTO Discord:
"I've compiled a list of usernames of unknown competitors who have competed in the SS weekly and/or cubers.io online competitions. If you are one of these users and would like to be featured on the FTO Online Competition rankings, please message or email me - benpuzzles ( at ) gmail ( dot ) com - and with the right evidence I'll add you. Note that your full name must be provided. Thanks!"
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@ARndmPrsn @bad_blder @Cuber2s @DDDDavid @Isabellikesmaths @Justincubes @KubikPanda @NmeCuber @Puzzle Maniac @Skewby_Doo @Triangles_are_cubers @urfavmuuse

Might've missed some, also some people might have already been added

 

[stoic]

From FTO Discord:
"I've compiled a list of usernames of unknown competitors who have competed in the SS weekly and/or cubers.io online competitions. If you are one of these users and would like to be featured on the FTO Online Competition rankings, please message or email me - benpuzzles ( at ) gmail ( dot ) com - and with the right evidence I'll add you. Note that your full name must be provided. Thanks!"
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@Isabellikesmaths