Fast cubing with LBL method like Erik

[Vryon]

master ? Mind listing the algorithms you used ?

 

[masterofthebass]

cross, corners, edges, EO, CO, CP, EP. Algs are all over the place.

 

[Vryon]

What algorithms is faster for putting " Right Edge in the Middle layer " ?

 

[byu]

You mean U R U' R' U' F' U F?

 

[amostay2004]

It's not the cube... it's the fact that Erik is fast. Seriously, he's really good at cubing. Most people aren't going to be doing sub-20 averages with LBL.

Well I wasn't implying that it was the cube. I was saying his cube sells for $2000 cos he's the WR holder, and therefore he's good and very fast

 

[Vryon]

You mean U R U' R' U' F' U F?

Yes, there will be other ways right ? Like shorter or easier withour F

 

[brunson]

You mean U R U' R' U' F' U F?

Yes, there will be other ways right ? Like shorter or easier withour F

Not if you want to preserve corners. An alternative would be keyhole, sometimes called "working corner". Google it.

 

[d4m4s74]

I think right now I have a higher chance of getting sub-20 with LBL then with F2L, but that's mostly because I suck at F2L recog

 

[GermanCube]

EDIT: Are you talking about this video?
I think he uses OLL and PLL ... not too sure though!

Try reading the description.

I read the description, this is why I was confused ...

It says Beginners method, but when you look at the video closely from 0:26, you'll see he finishes the yellow side (orientates it) and does some move with M, which isn't used in Beginners method, as far as I know.

In the description it says:

"Using the main beginners method (LBL for F2L and 4 Look Last Layer)"

EDIT:
So he uses OLL and PLL, but not full OLL and PLL!!

Maybe we had a little misunderstanding ...

 

[Johannes91]

It says Beginners method, but when you look at the video closely from 0:26, you'll see he finishes the yellow side (orientates it) and does some move with M, which isn't used in Beginners method, as far as I know.

LL starts at about 0:23. I looks like this to me:

EO: F U R U' R' F'
CO: R' U2 R U R' U R
CP: R U2 R' U' R U2 L' U R' U' L (U2)
EP: M2 U M U2 M' U M2

The algs don't really matter, it's a 4-look LL. Some beginner tutorials do use slice moves.

 

[mazei]

Perhaps you don't understand 4 look last layer. You do EO, CO, CP and then EP. His EP are mainly M-slice algos.

And as far as I know, only R' U' R' U' R' U R U R, U R U' R' U' F' U F and U R U R' U' F' U' F are the only way to insert the second layer edges. And really, there is no other efficient way. I mean by using total LBL, keyhole method not included.

 

[GermanCube]

Yah, I understood that it IS 4LLL.

It's just not my definition of Beginners method, but it doesn't matter, its still damned fast!!

 

[Ellis]

Yah, I understood that it IS 4LLL.

It's just not my definition of Beginners method, but it doesn't matter, its still damned fast!!

Why does it matter what the algs are? And why is it different from a beginners method? 2 Look-OLL with 2-Look PLL is a beginners method, doesn't matter which algs you use.

 

[GermanCube]

Yah, I understood that it IS 4LLL.

It's just not my definition of Beginners method, but it doesn't matter, its still damned fast!!

Why does it matter what the algs are? And why is it different from a beginners method? 2 Look-OLL with 2-Look PLL is a beginners method, doesn't matter which algs you use.

As I said, MY PERSONAL definition; I thought of something else, when I read Beginners method, but I see and understand, that the method Erik used in his video is also a beginners method, and you are right, algs don't matter!

 

[d4m4s74]

I always thought the beginners method meant one edge orientation alg, one corner orientation alg (usually sune), one corner permutation alg (A-perm?) and one edge perm (three cycle)

 

[GermanCube]

I always thought the beginners method meant one edge orientation alg, one corner orientation alg (usually sune), one corner permutation alg (A-perm?) and one edge perm (three cycle)

Same with me, thats what I always meant, but except you, nobody really understood, I think!!!

 

[JLarsen]

Technicalities. Fun. I don't think anyone can currently do the simplest lbl method sub 20. (As in one alg spammed repeatedly for a step such as the sune.)

 

[qqwref]

Perhaps you don't understand 4 look last layer. You do EO, CO, CP and then EP. His EP are mainly M-slice algos.

And as far as I know, only R' U' R' U' R' U R U R, U R U' R' U' F' U F and U R U R' U' F' U' F are the only way to insert the second layer edges. And really, there is no other efficient way. I mean by using total LBL, keyhole method not included.

There are a bit fingertrickier ways (such as (F' R) (U R' U') (R' F R)), but those are definitely the most common and widely-used.

 

[Vryon]

So the best is (F' R) (U R' U') (R' F R ) ?

 

[amostay2004]

Well, try all the algos they listed and see which is best for you..you don't just go around asking what's the best for this and that..you'll have to try out yourself and PRACTICE!