Events to remove

qqwref said:
I like this idea. Get a bunch of noncubers to play with it or something. "Can you fix it?" Accidental scrambles are always harder to fix than deliberate ones.
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this is also how a lot of magics become broken. speedsolving random states is asking for broken strings?
 
KboyForeverB said:
That offends those who are good at it.
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Can't you say that about all events that people suggest should be removed? That's why I think this thread is pointless. Most people just say:

"Feet = stupid", or "Magic = pointless".

Not only is that offensive to people who put time/effort into being good at the event but it's a complete waste of a post as it contributes nothing. You might as well "+1".
 
If people are offended by legitimate complaints (and I don't mean simply calling the events stupid (although you could argue that this is a legit complaint)) about events, they are being oversensitive.

If feet was suggested as a new event these days, it would not be taken seriously.
 
maggot said:
i think to remove magic would be a very good thing if you think about it. ... (maybe im wrong) and it would give more time for events
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You can do a full round of Magic in maybe 15-20 minutes. I usually do it during lunch and people have to take a minute of their time to complete their average of 5. This doesn't really buy you much time for other things.

maggot said:
im not sure how much the companies that produce Rubik brand puzzles give to the speedsolving community to sponsor events, but if it is marginal, our decisions to change the puzzle to compete with should not be even questioned by the WCA. Also, just because we decide to not have these events at a competition, does not mean that they have to make these puzzle completely obsolete from competitions, there can be room for these event, but there has to be a significant interest. but these puzzles should only be considered if the new puzzles and event have there allocated times. just like there are not many chance for the WR for feet to be broken (not like many people actually practice feet seriously), why should there be many chance for magic? its just stupid. give a chance for these new puzzle, because a lot of community agrees that some of the event are a drag. spice it up!
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So many things wrong with this paragraph. Rubik's companies do significant sponsorship (Worlds, for one of them). As for our decision not to be questioned by the WCA? It's the WCA's decision to make, we can just offer suggestions. I'm not sure what the rest of your paragraph is saying. You seem to be suggesting competition organizers shouldn't be able to choose the events.

maggot said:
as far as big puzzles, i think that they have a lot of room to grow, although they do not have as much interest (because of the time investment), they still have their place imho.
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They suck to scramble and require significant amount of time to hold.
 
My point is, what's the point of this thread? There was no real NEED to get rid of events so why make a thread that you know people are just gonna bash on different events for? The real question should be, "Do we need to remove events?". Not, which events do you hate? Which is pretty much what this thread has turned into. How would you like it if people got to decide whether or not your favorite event stayed based on how many people thought it was stupid?

Take it to the WCA Forums. They had this same discussion about 4/5BLD.
 
PhillipEspinoza said:
My point is, what's the point of this thread? There was no real NEED to get rid of events so why make a thread that you know people are just gonna bash on different events for?
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There's no need to add events, but we do that.

Can I not ask what events other people wouldn't mind removing?

I'm so sorry for asking for opinions on something I'm interested in.

PhillipEspinoza said:
The real question should be, "Do we need to remove events?". Not, which events do you hate?
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Ok, so now you're simply twisting my words.

I don't like Square-1, but I think it should be an event. I like OH, but I don't think it should be an event.

PhillipEspinoza said:
How would you like it if people got to decide whether or not your favorite event stayed based on how many people thought it was stupid?
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I would love it, since that would apply to everyone. Let's do that.

PhillipEspinoza said:
Take it to the WCA Forums.
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I fully intend to, but unfortunatly there is only a certain time of year assigned to really dealing with things like these in depth.

Speedsolving.com has a larger audience then the WCA forum, and listening to things from this larger audience has been useful in the past for influencing events. I wonder if you remember.


There is nothing wrong with having this discussion.
 
Kirjava said:
There's no need to add events, but we do that.

Can I not ask what events other people wouldn't mind removing?

I'm so sorry for asking for opinions on something I'm interested in.



Ok, so now you're simply twisting my words.

I don't like Square-1, but I think it should be an event. I like OH, but I don't think it should be an event.



I would love it, since that would apply to everyone. Let's do that.



I fully intend to, but unfortunatly there is only a certain time of year assigned to really dealing with things like these in depth.

Speedsolving.com has a larger audience then the WCA forum, and listening to things from this larger audience has been useful in the past for influencing events. I wonder if you remember.


There is nothing wrong with having this discussion.
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Tis looks like the start of a flamatorium...that's why I didn't say what events I would like to get rid of
 
I agree w/ Phillip. This thread is pointless. Why would you want to get rid of any event. People have been practicing them and are good at them. Besides, the non-popular events that take a while are very rare.

The idea of having a 'scrambled' magic would be pretty cool. Imagine the singles and averages if we did it that way.
 
Some of you sound like the fifa president who is afraid of computers taking over football refereeing. Don't be afraid of progress. Like I said before, take a vote and all the arguing will stop.
 
As much as I dislike some events, I think removing any would be unfair. All of these events have attracted dedicated competitors who have worked hard to be where they are. On the other hand, some of these events have become quite obsolete (feet, master magic, clock) that keeping them seems silly because the importance of the rankings is significantly lowered since so few people get a chance to compete in them.

That being said, I personally think the spirit of speedsolving should be to solve puzzles as quickly as possible, and adding physical restrictions such as OH and feet is something that has never interested me. The same goes for magic, since its focus is entirely execution, and not "solving" in my sense of the word.
 
*** he asked for what we thought should be removed, or what we would like to see removed.
Anyway. I think if Dan Cohen is not competing in feet then its all good.
 
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