Euro 2012 - Poland

Ron said:
For the record, at 9am only 8 of the competitors were in the room. We have a serious discipline problem in our community.
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There is an easy (put not popular...) fix to this: too late = too bad
But competitions are no popularity contests :)

It will not take long before people get used to a strict approach.
Miss a few events or even a final (I think Mats was a tad late at N8W8?) and people will be prepared.

It just takes a strict approach by the organiser / delegate.
- Call out the competitors
- Last call at x minutes / seconds
- "Rien ne va plus" Scorecards without cubes get torn in two.
 
JoSpies said:
since everyone of us benefits from the WCA-activities, why not introduce a WCA-fee on every competition? You can take 1$/1€/1whatever from every participant in a competition and give it to the WCA (or split it for the WCA and the national organizations). For each competitor such a fee is usually nothing to talk about.
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that's a great idea. and if you want to give some more, you just do so.
in my opinion a paypal button on the WCA website probably would help a bit too. I'd definitely donate some money now and then to help the cubing community to live on.
 
Introducing a WCA contribution for each competition would be a good idea, if there is actually a WCA. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can see, there is no such thing as the WCA. With this I mean that there is no official organisation called the WCA. All the WCA is, is a group of cubing enthusiasts and a website. Competitions are not organised by the WCA, but by individual cubers. Registration fees are not set and collected by the WCA, but by the individual organisers. The organisers are themselves responsible for any financial losses made as a result of organising a competition.

Okay, I'm drifting off now. What I mean is that because there is no such thing as on organisation called the WCA, there is no WCA bank account. So if we want to introduce a WCA contribution, there should at least be a central WCA bank account, which means setting up some sort of a more formal organisation

With regards to competitors turning up late, I agree with cubenovice. It's time to start enforcing regulation 2j, which actually happened during Euro 2012.
 
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Cubenovice said:
There is an easy (put not popular...) fix to this: too late = too bad
But competitions are no popularity contests :)

It will not take long before people get used to a strict approach.
Miss a few events or even a final (I think Mats was a tad late at N8W8?) and people will be prepared.

It just takes a strict approach by the organiser / delegate.
- Call out the competitors
- Last call at x minutes / seconds
- "Rien ne va plus" Scorecards without cubes get torn in two.
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This did happen on at least one occasion. For 3x3 round 2 someone didn't show up despite being called several times, so the person who finished top out of those who didn't qualify for the round took his place. Admittedly this was threatened several times without anything happening, but I think this is understandable seeing as Arnaud is a nice guy who probably didn't want to have to kick someone out of the round.
 
when I came I was told that because of Rowe I qualified too
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This was not because of Rowe, but because someone of the top 128 did not show up in time.
I was looking for you, but since you were not there, I forfeited your place to #130 and so on.
 
I spent really nice time in there, that was awesome to meet more people and to spend more time to talk with people I didn't really know.

Thanks Arnaud and Robin for the trip back, we actually arrived the next day at home, at 11pm.


About the proposal "give 1whatever to the WCA at each competition", I must say that I don't think we should force people to that kind of thing.
To you, JoSpies, "For each competitor such a fee is usually nothing to talk about.".
Yeah, the "usualy" is mandatory here. What about poor countries/people ?
For some people, 1€ is a big amount. And so, we could say "1[currency of the hosting country]", but that also would be hard.


I like the fact that organisers are the only ones that choose how their competition will be set. Rules about cubing are mandatory. Rules about anything else are not, in my humble opinion !

But this could be a very long debate, I'm not sure this is the best place for it !



I want to thank every people that made this event such a great one !

See you next time !


Gaël
 
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JoSpies said:
since everyone of us benefits from the WCA-activities, why not introduce a WCA-fee on every competition? You can take 1$/1€/1whatever from every participant in a competition and give it to the WCA (or split it for the WCA and the national organizations). For each competitor such a fee is usually nothing to talk about.
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American competitions already do this and use the money to pay for WCA server costs, so it is not without precedent. Eventually the WCA might become a legal entity, which would make donations, etc. much more manageable.
 
gagou9 said:
To you, JoSpies, "For each competitor such a fee is usually nothing to talk about.".
Yeah, the "usualy" is mandatory here. What about poor countries/people ?
For some people, 1€ is a big amount. And so, we could say "1[currency of the hosting country]", but that also would be hard.
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You're right. The 1€ was just meant as an example. German competitions usually cost 5€ per day, so in these cases, I really wouldn't discuss about 1€.
Of course different circumstances would have to be considered. My post didn't intend to start a detailled discussion. I just wanted to make a proposal for providing the WCA with the resources they need for their work. And additionally put the common "everything's for free"-attitude into question.

gagou9 said:
But this could be a very long debate, I'm not sure this is the best place for it !
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yes
 
Ron said:
This was not because of Rowe, but because someone of the top 128 did not show up in time.
I was looking for you, but since you were not there, I forfeited your place to #130 and so on.
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The second round of 3x3 was planned with 128 competitors. But Rowe and Dennis Rosero from Colombia qualified, so why didn't you call 130 people ? (regadless of people not showing up)
 
Kev43 said:
The second round of 3x3 was planned with 128 competitors. But Rowe and Dennis Rosero from Colombia qualified, so why didn't you call 130 people ? (regadless of people not showing up)
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I guess it's because there's nothing in the regulations that require you to have the number of award eligible competitors in a certain round. The organisers could have called 130 people to make up 128 Europeans, but they chose not to. And I don't blame them. In a round of 128 competitors, those 2 extra competitors are not going to make a difference. It's a different story for the final, where the top 12 European's do have a chance to actually win the competition, and there it would be unfair to keep number 13 out of the final, just because there's a non-European ahead of him who isn't even eligible to win the title.
 
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