do you think fingerboarding is gay?

[fanwuq]

People have different experiences and therefore different connotations of words. Why do modern people care so much about being politically correct and non-offensive? The meaning of words change all the time. Why can't the word “gay” change from cheerful to homosexual to stupid?
There is no need to get so defensive and insecure just because of a word. How about we just ban every single word that can be considered insulting?

Fanwuq, you're Chinese, right? How would you feel if "Chinese" took on an additional connotation of being stupid? If people started referring to stupid things as "Chinese" and people made fun of you and discriminated against you because you were Chinese and therefore stupid?

There are people who are ACTUALLY gay, and not stupid, and they take offense to people using the word gay as a negative term. There's NOTHING wrong with being gay. THAT's why calling things gay is offensive. Get that through your heads.

I actually faced such problems when I was young (not necessarily Chinese = stupid, but other insults) and got very upset about it for years. Then I stopped caring and others around me got more mature and stopped such insults.
I know you are right ethically, but this is how I view things at the moment, and my views change often and unexpectedly.
I am now convinced that people have a natural tendency to pay attention to things that upset them and it is a necessary part of life that I sometimes force myself to ignore. Sometimes you just feel a thrill when you are being insulted and arguing against someone. People like that; that's why lawyers enjoy their jobs so much. I've simply gotten to a point where I'm so busy I don't have the time for it (ok, I'm a hypocrite, I'm debating with you right now). Discrimination is when the intentional insulter is incredibly lame and the insulted is too emotional and full of himself. If a negative term is used without the intention of harm, it is absolutely fine. If the intent was harm, then by laughing back at the insulter and not worrying about it, no harm can be done. If the insulter resorts to violence, run away, if that's not possible, fight back. Simple as that. The cure against discrimination is not understanding or letting people pity and help you out.
Nobody here is gay, if someone is, that person's got to be pretty wimpy to be offended like that. So there is no need for any argument other than my original point of entertainment. You might not agree, but you know it is true. Welcome to Internet Forums.
So insult me all you like, it will be a pleasure to debate against you.

By gay he obviously meant stupid. A lot of people talk about stuff that they don't like by calling it 'gay' including me. I don't like fingerboarding so I'd be like "yeah thats gay" but not cause I actually think its homosexual or has anything to do with sexuality.

Exactly. Oh, I actually don't use the word "gay" at all for any of its definitions. There are more accurate synonyms. In the case of fingerboarding, I would have called it pointless, boring, or trivial.

 

[Edmund]

By gay he obviously meant stupid. A lot of people talk about stuff that they don't like by calling it 'gay' including me. I don't like fingerboarding so I'd be like "yeah thats gay" but not cause I actually think its homosexual or has anything to do with sexuality.

Exactly. Oh, I actually don't use the word "gay" at all for any of its definitions. There are more accurate synonyms. In the case of fingerboarding, I would have called it pointless, boring, or trivial.

I try to avoid using it as well but once you've been around it so much it slips.

 

[shelley]

Discrimination is when the intentional insulter is incredibly lame and the insulted is too emotional and full of himself.

And you are ignorant. You think all those historical struggles against discrimination and fights for equal rights are just about people being "lame" and "emotional"?

How are you so certain that no one here is gay and nobody will take offense to it? This isn't just on here either. If we encourage the use of "gay" as a derogatory term here it encourages the use elsewhere, where people are sensitive to it and will get offended. Is it so much to ask for people to have some respect for others?

 

[fanwuq]

Discrimination is when the intentional insulter is incredibly lame and the insulted is too emotional and full of himself.

And you are ignorant. You think all those historical struggles against discrimination and fights for equal rights are just about people being "lame" and "emotional"?

How are you so certain that no one here is gay and nobody will take offense to it? This isn't just on here either. If we encourage the use of "gay" as a derogatory term here it encourages the use elsewhere, where people are sensitive to it and will get offended. Is it so much to ask for people to have some respect for others?

I would have agreed with you sometime ago. Now, I don't even disagree with you; I just don't care. In a sense, I'm numbing myself of human feelings and becoming more ignorant. It's an interesting experience, but I hope it doesn't last too long.

People are too selfish and sensitive. When you are insulted, you sense something harmful and try to protect yourself. You have to understand that people who insult others using stereotypes aren't necessarily bad people either. Some people do things with people of the same sex for fun, some people hate and harm others for fun. Either way, it can be argued that they can't help themselves.
People are inherently selfish and want what's best for themselves, whether it is for a tangible benefit or simply psychological peace. What they do sometimes disgust others. Thus, the line between gays and those who discriminate against them is very thin. They are just people. The mind can toughen up far more easily than the body. Being insulted a necessary experience that toughen up the human mind. People who suffered discrimination certainly did not enjoy it, but they are stronger after these experiences. I'm fully prepared for a life of suffering; I think it would be interesting. I understand others might not appreciate it and should not have to experience it. In elementary school, I used to be bullied and a wise teacher told me, “Life is unfair, deal with it.” That is true.
Fairness is largely subjective and depends on your perspective.

 

[DAE_JA_VOO]

Gah... are you guys still going on about this?!

This has to be the silliest freaking discussion I've ever seen on this forum.

Nonsense like this makes this forum an unpleasant place to visit.

Hey Fanwuq, and Dae Ja Voo,
You guys are awesome, just wanted to tell you guys that.

Your replies are probably the most coherent and logical. d:
(In my opinion, of course.)

LOL. Thanks man

 

[JLarsen]

Since no one else seems to get exactly why the term gay, and stupid are paired today, allow me to explain.

First off by letting me say that homosexual and gay are two totally different words in my vocabulary. When I say homosexual, it means a man and a man, when I say gay, picture the most cliche gay person you've ever seen in your life.

Now, the reason i link flamboyant homosexuality with the word stupid, or whatever other word you assume I'm intending to say, is not because I'm a homophobe, but because I strongly believe that those who act in accordance with every single little cliche associated with gays, are completely fake, and have adopted those personalities as means of finding a place to fit in. I don't care if you like boys, really, but don't tell me that you were born with a thirst for abercrombie, and a lisp.

In conclusion, gay=stupid. Rebuttal anyone?

 

[IamWEB]

^Yes. People aren't separating the words homosexuals with 'flamboyant homosexuals', to most they are the same thing because people don't analyze stuff like that when they call something 'gay'.
Also, why is that right after you say homosexual and gay are two different words to you, you go on to use homosexuality in throughout the paragraph and then end in 'gay=stupid'??? Maybe you're not wrong there and just made an error, maybe not.
And some people may grow up from an early age liking abercrombie, who knows? Idk about the lisp.

@fanwuq: Gay isn't going homosexual to stupid, it's mixing both, which is why people are so offended by it. It's 'officially' recognized as homosexual as far as I've heard it, but often used (amongst teens) as both homosexual and bad/stupid/dumb/wrong/etc.

 

[hawkmp4]

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In conclusion, gay=stupid. Rebuttal anyone?

Yeah.
To everyone who thinks that using gay as a synonym for stupid is okay, please...
Go through what I've gone through as a bisexual male. Go through high school openly. See the writings on the wall (literally) and hear the things people say. Get jumped because another (straight) guy thought you were checking him out. Get a knife pulled on you because someone doesn't want to be punished by God for allowing you to live. Listen to someone tell you you're not human and you don't deserve life when come out to them.
Do all of that, please, and then I think you'll understand why it bothers me when gay is equated with stupid. It's not a matter of getting used to it.
I'm going to use language that you may not want to see on the forums, but I think it's important to this argument so I'll put it in a spoiler.

Spoiler

Tell me, do people get used to being called nigger? Chink? Wetback? No matter my intention, is it okay for me to call someone or something a nigger or nigger-like? Or how about a cunt? Are these words alright to say, do people of the affected races or gender need to just get used to it?
If your answer is yes, well, you're not someone I want to talk to. So it ends there. If it is no, then why is 'gay' or, related, 'retarded' okay? There's no difference between the terms.

In short- using 'gay' for 'stupid' comes from either ignorance or bigotry. The former can be changed, the latter really can't. If it's ignorance I hope this changed your mind. If it's bigotry, I'd frankly prefer not to see you on these forums. That's the truth, take it as you may.

 

[4Chan]

EDIT: Not directed at anyone specifically, but rather this thread as a whole.

 

[hawkmp4]

Can we close/delete this thread, please?

 

[4Chan]

Can we close/delete this thread, please?

Seconded.

Mayhaps even the marijuana thread too?
Arguing over trivial stuff is bad. D:
Cube topics are so much more pleasant after all.

 

[hawkmp4]

Can we close/delete this thread, please?

Seconded.

Mayhaps even the marijuana thread too?
Arguing over trivial stuff is bad. D:
Cube topics are so much more pleasant after all.

Yeah, see, you're REALLY not helping.
Maybe it's trivial to YOU. Please- shut up.