Despite of practicing 4 months practice with CFOP i m just sub-50, How can i get sub-15?

[REDICUBER10]

Despite of practicing 4 months practice with CFOP i m just sub-50, How can i get sub-15.
I M SO SLOW HOW CAN I GET FASTER.
I know following method
-CFOP [MAIN METHOD]
-PETRUS
-RYAN HIESE [COMMULATATORS]
-ROUX
-BEGGINERS
-WATERMANN/XO/CORNERS FIRST
-EDGES FIRST

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Stick to one method. Either Roux or CFOP. I use CFOP so I can help there. I'm not sub 15, I'm average 23 ish. Learn how to solve cross in inspection. Use good F2l "algs" but mainly use intuitive. Learn 4LLL if you don't already know that. Play around in F2l doing not timed solves. Find new better F2l trick. Watch f2l videos. PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE! Hope it helps!

 

[shadowslice e]

How much practising per day do you do? In general solve time/solves done is a far more reliable indicator of how fast you "should" be as opposed to time you'e been able to solve.

 

[xyzzy]

https://www.speedsolving.com/forum/...ng-question-thread.50209/page-75#post-1265529

If you feel like you're following all of the "standard" advice (use a good cube, don't turn so fast that you can't see what's going where, etc.) and you still can't get fast, upload a video of a solve and we can highlight potential areas for improvement.

 

[cuber314159]

Sub15 is a big gap and you should probably only concentrate on sub40 now, stick to either roux or CFOP, I recommend CFOP and that you learn F2L and 4LLL now and practice with it. Also make sure you have a decent cube that can corner cut 45 degrees

 

[FastCubeMaster]

Based off of the thread title alone, you need:
Patience

And also, consider ZZ as a main method

 

[Duncan Bannon]

@FastCubeMaster I have heard that ZZ is a bad method. I’m Phil from thecubicle.us doesnt really like it. It’s good for OH but not for 2H. Why do you think its a good method and why have I heard so many negative things about it? Thanks

 

[Sue Doenim]

I think people say that because they are to lazy to put in enough work to be able to do EOLine well. I honestly think there very few ways in which CFOP is better. It's perfectly fine for TH, it just doesn't keep wrists in as much of a neutral position. I'm pretty sure Phil uses and is a big supporter of it.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

I heard Phil say in a video, “ Cause I use a bad method” He may have been joking but IDK. And EO line makes it impossible to be color neutral (Right?)+ Is F and B moves... Which isn’t the best for speedsolving. Not that I am saying that ZZ is a bad method. But rather to find more about the method by trying to prove it bad. Hope that makes sense.

 

[Sue Doenim]

I'd guess he was joking. Color neutrality is possible, but not very feasible. People are usually x2 y color neutral if they really care. There are usually only 2-3 F and B moves total in an EOLine, which really isn't bad, seeing as crosses will often have them and/or rotations. My advice is to try it for yourself.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

I may. Is there isn’t really any algs to learn are there? Just EO line? Is there a easy tutorial on it? Thanks

 

[Sue Doenim]

If you know 4LLL or more, you don't need to learn any new algs. I didn't really learn it from videos, mostly I used this: http://cube.crider.co.uk/zz.php

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Okay yes I know 4LLL. Thanks!

 

[Reed Merrill]

For anybody thinking of trying ZZ: EOline is the only part you really need a tutorial for, and Phil's video is also really good. You'll be grateful you watched it, even though it's really long.

Here's Phil's tutorial:

I learned ZZ from Phil's videos, and I really like it. If you can solve on two fronts then you have *almost* the same advantage that color neutrality gives you with CFOP. That's because a y2 or x2 rotation will have the same number of bad edges as the orientation that you rotated from. Even XEOline with x2 y neutrality doesn't seem to me like it's theoretically very much harder than Xcross on CFOP with full colour neutrality.

EDIT: I also just thought of this: With ZZ it's harder to preserve blocks for xeolines or to use later in F2L because sometimes you have to move around more pieces, and you have to collect them on the F and/or B faces, and then move them to the D face if they can't be put there while solving EO.

 

[Duncan Bannon]

Is there also a Blockbuiding tutorial from Phil? Thanks very much!

 

[Reed Merrill]

Is there also a Blockbuiding tutorial from Phil? Thanks very much!

Yeah, he has a ZZF2L video that's also really good, and his solves have super efficient move counts so his example solves are awesome to watch too.