Dayan or Moyu? And some other questions

[Rocky0701]

Which do u guys prefer (4x4): aosu, shensu or the weisu? (Also what ur opinions for each cube?)

I don't have any of them yet, but most people like the Aosu the best.

 

[Shah]

Which do u guys prefer (4x4): aosu, shensu or the weisu? (Also what ur opinions for each cube?)

AoSu.

 

[Future Cuber]

Which do u guys prefer (4x4): aosu, shensu or the weisu? (Also what ur opinions for each cube?)

aosu ..and the shensu sucks (cubeorcubes video)

 

[TinaIsAwesome]

Which do u guys prefer (4x4): aosu, shensu or the weisu? (Also what ur opinions for each cube?)

Question, why did you post this in this thread? There is a separate thread for puzzle requests. That being said the best 4x4 is hands down the AoSu. It's very smooth, doesn't lock-up and unlike the WeiSu, it doesn't pop. Besides popping the WeiSu locks-up a lot and the Shensu is just terrible. But if you're looking for a cheaper option the ShengShou 4x4 is also an option. But if the want the best 4x4, it's the AoSu.

 

[Future Cuber]

Question, why did you post this in this thread? There is a separate thread for puzzle requests. That being said the best 4x4 is hands down the AoSu. It's very smooth, doesn't lock-up and unlike the WeiSu, it doesn't pop. Besides popping the WeiSu locks-up a lot and the Shensu is just terrible. But if you're looking for a cheaper option the ShengShou 4x4 is also an option. But if the want the best 4x4, it's the AoSu.

Modded shengshou 4x4 , I think is quite faster that the moyu aosu
but modding is a pain in your rear

 

[Cubesensei]

my experience with dayan zhanchi is not that well. it pops all the time if u dont know how to handle it well. my friend pops my too much i am really annoyed. i try to speed solve with it but i cant release my full potential with it, having to worry about popping. ugh, im like a sub 45 with this cube and only using a bit of f2l. i am hoping my weilong will at least get me to a sub 30 in a few days( which will come in like 2 days, ordered it on amazon) also. the interior of the two cubes are different. the torpedos of the zhanchi are so small compared to the weilong design

 

[GuRoux]

my experience with dayan zhanchi is not that well. it pops all the time if u dont know how to handle it well. my friend pops my too much i am really annoyed. i try to speed solve with it but i cant release my full potential with it, having to worry about popping. ugh, im like a sub 45 with this cube and only using a bit of f2l. i am hoping my weilong will at least get me to a sub 30 in a few days( which will come in like 2 days, ordered it on amazon) also. the interior of the two cubes are different. the torpedos of the zhanchi are so small compared to the weilong design

make sure the cube is equally tensioned and not too loose. Usually a lack of lubrication also leads to much worse preformance.

 

[MadaraMangekyou]

my mains have been Dayans and Moyu/YJ, and i want to say the next:
in speed, i think that the average Moyu is faster than the average Dayan
in stickers, i think Moyu's stickers are more aesthetic and durable than Dayan's stickers
in control, i think that the average Dayan is more controllable than the average Moyu
in plastic quality, they are almost the same (i know it because i have lubed both with silicone spray and silicone oil, the plastic gets worn almost in the same form in both of them)
in conclusion:
i think that the average Moyu is better than the average Dayan, but it is a matter of personal likes, because if you can't handle the higher speed of Moyu and you feel really comfortable with the stability of the Dayan, you will do better with a Dayan, even if technically the Moyu is better in most of the items

 

[Rocky0701]

my experience with dayan zhanchi is not that well. it pops all the time if u dont know how to handle it well. my friend pops my too much i am really annoyed. i try to speed solve with it but i cant release my full potential with it, having to worry about popping. ugh, im like a sub 45 with this cube and only using a bit of f2l. i am hoping my weilong will at least get me to a sub 30 in a few days( which will come in like 2 days, ordered it on amazon) also. the interior of the two cubes are different. the torpedos of the zhanchi are so small compared to the weilong design

If you are only sub 45, a Zhanchi does not hold you back. Either you don't know how to use it, or you have the tensions too loose. A WeiLong will not get you to sub 30 in a couple of days, it may shave your times a second, but that is it. Remember than Feliks broke the world record with a Zhanchi.

 

[Cubesensei]

yup, i tried all the tensions and i lubed mine too. loose tension just cant corner cut and mid tension is iffyish and a little tighter is just a nightmare

If you are only sub 45, a Zhanchi does not hold you back. Either you don't know how to use it, or you have the tensions too loose. A WeiLong will not get you to sub 30 in a couple of days, it may shave your times a second, but that is it. Remember than Feliks broke the world record with a Zhanchi.

well, u might be right, but i noticed how i have to fix the cube so i can turn it the way i wanted in a solve, so ya. XD

 

[TinaIsAwesome]

my experience with dayan zhanchi is not that well. it pops all the time if u dont know how to handle it well. my friend pops my too much i am really annoyed. i try to speed solve with it but i cant release my full potential with it, having to worry about popping. ugh, im like a sub 45 with this cube and only using a bit of f2l. i am hoping my weilong will at least get me to a sub 30 in a few days( which will come in like 2 days, ordered it on amazon) also. the interior of the two cubes are different. the torpedos of the zhanchi are so small compared to the weilong design

The Zhanchi is an amazing cube. Popping = bad turning. You need to tighten your cube and I know it's been said already, but you need to tension all the sides properly and lube it. A lot of beginners I know avoid tensioning as much as possible but it's an essential skill you need to acquire. WeiLong's, much like all the cubes of this generation, are physically impossible to pop unless your finger somehow slips in between the pieces during a solve and pops a piece out. But that only happens like once in 100 solves if at all. And one last thing, getting a better cube will not magically drop your times 15 seconds. It may drop your times slightly but don't fall under the assumption that it's the cube not the cuber. The cube can only take you so far. Sorry if this comes across a bit harsh, I'm not trying to be. I just want to help and it just annoys me when people think that getting a better cube will magically turn them into Feliks. I know that's not what you meant but still it all comes down to practice and how much effort you put in. Happy cubing.

 

[FailCuber]

I say that doing your F2l is very improtant for improving your speed

 

[Destro]

IMO, cubes dont make a person a speedcuber, i let my friend borrow my chilong but he can solve it in 1:45 while I can solve it in 1:20 using f2l (still getting used to).

 

[Cubesensei]

IMO, cubes dont make a person a speedcuber, i let my friend borrow my chilong but he can solve it in 1:45 while I can solve it in 1:20 using f2l (still getting used to).

word, it took me like 1: 48 secs for f2l at first, now i can do it in 50 secs with 7 f2l algorithms and a little oll. i mastered the beginner way first

 

[Rocky0701]

You guys will get like sub 45 soon pretty much once you get past initially getting used to F2L, you speed up a ton.

 

[EzCuber]

The Weilong is considered top-of-the-line as far as cubes go (along with the Zhanchi).

Moyu makes the Weilong, while its parent company YJ makes both the Chilong and Sulong.

YJ is the budget/introductory brand, and Moyu is its high-end brand.

Analogy:
YJ would be like Chevrolet or Honda
Moyu would be like Cadillac or Acura

So the Weilong is in a different class from the Sulong and Chilong (despite the apparent similarity in their names).

The differences between the Sulong and Chilong are that the Chilong is a revision of the Sulong, with torpedoes added (anti-popping) and tracks on the edge pieces.

I should mention that I own a stickerless YJ Yulong and I absolutely love it. The Yulong is an adaptation of the Chilong that allows for stickerless versions to be made. I really like the quality of the plastic, which is better (in my opinion) than the quality of the plastic in the stickerless Zhanchis that I own. The stickerless Yulong is a very good cube for the money. In this one case at least I think that this is a budget cube but despite that it's also a very solid choice.

I should also mention however that I'm not sure a stickered Yulong would be as good. The plastic on my stickerless is extremely glossy and smooth, and I'm not sure that a standard black Yulong would feel the same, even though cube color shouldn't result in any differences.

I used to use a black Yulong as my OH and 3x3 main. I also own a stickerless Yulong and have to say the quality is the same.