Cuber's IQ

[kcl]

Ignoring the fact that definition is so obscenely vague, and therefore impossible to quantify meaningfully, don't forget I already said this:



I should have used "distinction" there instead of definition, as it wasn't exactly clear what I meant by that.

But earlier you were saying IQ can "effect your potential". I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you mean "affect". But really, this is still an empty statement. What you really mean is "being smart can affect your potential for being fast at cubing". While I disagree with this statement, at least it makes sense and can be understood

Wow. I'm always on people about effect/affect and I messed it up myself. That being said, being smart CAN in theory, help you with Cubing. If you are gifted in ways such as pattern recognition, or memorization, you could theoretically have a higher potential than others. That being said, the point I was arguing pages before this was that "IQ" has little to no determination as to how good of a speedcuber you become. The point I was originally arguing was that determination and practice are what get you there, not being smart. People didn't get that.

 

[TheNewbCuber]

You still ought to be a little on the brighter side to get F2L and block building. I doubt a kid with a lower IQ even has the attention span to learn block building..

 

[Dene]

The people that show up on this forum constantly surprise me with how stupid you can be and yet still be good at solving cubes

Personally I think any connection between smartness and cubing is more like: The hobby of cubing generally attracts people that are smarter (or any hobby involving puzzle solving, such as sudoku/crosswords, or games like Chip's Challenge etc.)


Anyway, I hope anybody that bothered to read through my rants came to learn a little something about the world of psychology and how little experts of the psychology world actually know (in particular, regarding "IQ").

 

[TheNewbCuber]

The people that show up on this forum constantly surprise me with how stupid you can be and yet still be good at solving cubes

Personally I think any connection between smartness and cubing is more like: The hobby of cubing generally attracts people that are smarter (or any hobby involving puzzle solving, such as sudoku/crosswords, or games like Chip's Challenge etc.)


Anyway, I hope anybody that bothered to read through my rants came to learn a little something about the world of psychology and how little experts of the psychology world actually know (in particular, regarding "IQ").

Exactly what I meant. Were you referring to me as stupid?

 

[Dene]

Exactly what I meant. Were you referring to me as stupid?

Nope, I don't know you so I can't judge

 

[thesolver]

IQ tests are not fully accurate.
Its just based on how we calculate things not what we calculate.

 

[pipkiksass]

IQ tests are not fully accurate.

I wouldn't say they're inaccurate, rather that they're fully accurate at measuring something which is entirely useless!

I've said this before, but I'll say it again: a large component of IQ testing is the recognition of shapes in rotation, mirroring, and symmetry. These are invaluable skills in cubing. As a result, however arbitrary IQ is as a measurement of intelligence, there should be a pretty good correlation between innate cubing potential and IQ.

That said, as with all things in life, hard work can go a long way towards compensating for lack of innate potential. I'd still expect a pretty good proportionality if IQ were graphed against 3x3 PB. Perhaps PB isn't fair, maybe Ao12 PB after 12 months cubing, or somesuch. Anyway - arbitrary measure A graphed against arbitrary measure B should correlate. Draw whatever assumptions from that you wish!!!

 

[windhero]

I wouldn't say they're inaccurate, rather that they're fully accurate at measuring something which is entirely useless!

I've said this before, but I'll say it again: a large component of IQ testing is the recognition of shapes in rotation, mirroring, and symmetry. These are invaluable skills in cubing. As a result, however arbitrary IQ is as a measurement of intelligence, there should be a pretty good correlation between innate cubing potential and IQ.

That said, as with all things in life, hard work can go a long way towards compensating for lack of innate potential. I'd still expect a pretty good proportionality if IQ were graphed against 3x3 PB. Perhaps PB isn't fair, maybe Ao12 PB after 12 months cubing, or somesuch. Anyway - arbitrary measure A graphed against arbitrary measure B should correlate. Draw whatever assumptions from that you wish!!!

Speed solving has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. It's about recognizing patterns, reflexes, dexterity and muscle memory. The only part that would require some deductory skills is probably planning the cross and possible x/xx/xxxcrosses, but you dont see even Feliks doing those at all solves. Only when he recognizes the pattern. F2L in sub 4 seconds does not leave much time to think, again recognizing patterns. OLL/PLL, dont even need to argue here.

 

[pipkiksass]

Speed solving has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. It's about recognizing patterns, reflexes, dexterity and muscle memory. The only part that would require some deductory skills is probably planning the cross and possible x/xx/xxxcrosses, but you dont see even Feliks doing those at all solves. Only when he recognizes the pattern. F2L in sub 4 seconds does not leave much time to think, again recognizing patterns. OLL/PLL, dont even need to argue here.

Er... mmkay. Where do I ever say that IQ = intelligence? In fact, I'm quite clearly stating that the opposite is true. And where am I implying that "deductory skills" are either a) required for cubing, or b) represented by IQ?

I agree with what you're saying - but I don't understand why you're quoting my post when you aren't arguing against anything I said.

 

[windhero]

Er... mmkay. Where do I ever say that IQ = intelligence? In fact, I'm quite clearly stating that the opposite is true. And where am I implying that "deductory skills" are either a) required for cubing, or b) represented by IQ?

I agree with what you're saying - but I don't understand why you're quoting my post when you aren't arguing against anything I said.

That single word is what you picked from my argument? You talked about understanding rotation, mirroring and symmetry being invaluable for cubing, which just isnt true in terms of speedsolving.

The IQ test has nothing to do with those things either. The properties tested in the regular Mensa test are more about understanding patterns, not recognizing them. One could argue that FMC could be easier for a cuber that has scored a high IQ but it has nothing to do with speed. A good FMCer is by no means certainly a good speed solver.

 

[pipkiksass]

That single word is what you picked from my argument?

At least I picked a word you actually used!!!

You talked about understanding rotation, mirroring and symmetry being invaluable for cubing, which just isnt true in terms of speedsolving.

Did I?

a large component of IQ testing is the recognition of shapes in rotation, mirroring, and symmetry.

Nope, I didn't!

The IQ test has nothing to do with those things either.

Nope, but it has a lot to do with RECOGNISING these things, which is what I said in my post.

The properties tested in the regular Mensa test are more about understanding patterns, not recognizing them.

We're talking patterns (i.e. images) here, not mathematical sequences. Yes, you need to understand a mathematical sequence in a Mensa test in order to find missing values in the sequence. You DON'T need to understand a shape in order to recognise which of three other shapes are the same thing with a degree of rotation applied. So I disagree entirely.

 

[KongShou]

Ok, so I got the IQ test in 3 hours

 

[TDM]

Ok, so I got the IQ test in 3 hours

Good luck! When I tried to apply for mensa, they didn't respond until after the only one nearby for a year (I think), and then said I'd done the wrong type of IQ test and didn't accept it :fp

 

[KongShou]

Got my result back.

149 on the Cattell B scale (top 2%)
142 on the culture fair scale (top 1%)
Got in on both tests

Woo

 

[pipkiksass]

Got my result back.

149 on the Cattell B scale (top 2%)
142 on the culture fair scale (top 1%)
Got in on both tests

Woo

Wahoo, go Kong!

Do you get a card to carry, so you can prove it to strangers?

Just shows the difference between online tests and Mensa ones - did you say you got over 160 in an unofficial test previously?

 

[KongShou]

Wahoo, go Kong!

Do you get a card to carry, so you can prove it to strangers?

Just shows the difference between online tests and Mensa ones - did you say you got over 160 in an unofficial test previously?

Im not sure if it was for iq but it was for the entry to my school. Its not an online one.

 

[pipkiksass]

Im not sure if it was for iq but it was for the entry to my school. Its not an online one.

Ohright. There's my point completely invalidated then!

Congrats on becoming a Mensan.

In other news, glad I noticed the autocorrect error there, almost congratulated you on becoming a merman!

 

[TDM]

Got my result back.

149 on the Cattell B scale (top 2%)
142 on the culture fair scale (top 1%)
Got in on both tests

Woo

Nice! I just registered to do a test, as they wouldn't accept a previous one. They said they can't use my real name because they can't use the letter ç...
I can't even remember the date, but I think I have two months. Hopefully I won't fail. I fail at a lot of things.

 

[KongShou]

Nice! I just registered to do a test, as they wouldn't accept a previous one. They said they can't use my real name because they can't use the letter ç...
I can't even remember the date, but I think I have two months. Hopefully I won't fail. I fail at a lot of things.

Don't worry the questions are surprisingly straight forward. gl!

 

[TDM]

Don't worry the questions are surprisingly straight forward. gl!

Maybe for someone with your IQ Thanks! Is it questions on a paper, or do people ask you them? Whenever I've had an IQ test, I've been tested for other things (I have dyspraxia and dysgraphia), and it was a while ago, so I don't know which part of that was the IQ test and which bit wasn't.