Cross on left discussion thread

[Rpotts]

anyone do COL ZZ for an RUD f2l?

 

[StachuK1992]

anyone do COL ZZ for an RUD f2l?

Don't you mean LOL ZZ?


For OH, sometimes.
But I'm a RH OH, so COR/LOR, really.

 

[Toad]

anyone do COL ZZ for an RUD f2l?

Don't you mean LOL ZZ?


For OH, sometimes.
But I'm a RH OH, so COR/LOR, really.

I lol'd.

 

[Zarxrax]

What advantage does Cross on Left offer over Cross on bottom?
The whole point of this isn't immediately obvious to me.

 

[Thompson]

Is it too late for me to switch from f2l on D to f2l on left?? I average 12-11 seconds btw and I already make my cross on left.

 

[Cyrus C.]

What advantage does Cross on Left offer over Cross on bottom?
The whole point of this isn't immediately obvious to me.

When I solve with cross on left, I only have to use msves R, U, and l. I have to use a whole bunch with cross on D.

 

[Erzz]

Anyone have ZBF2L algs for COL? If so, I'd totally switch.

EDIT: Or can explain in simple terms how to move them from COD to COL.

 

[a small kitten]

http://cube.crider.co.uk/algtrans.html

just rotate it.

 

[Erzz]

Ah, thanks. I suppose you'd rotate Z then mirror U/D, right? So you don't get all the D moves.

 

[RyanReese09]

Before switching to Roux, I was a fan of cross on left. Execution wasn't a problem rather the transition from pair to pair was harder for me. anyway, I do hope to see more diversity in CFOP since it seems very bland for people to stick to what the majority does. I really hope that this starts up

which is why im doing zz/zbll

 

[PhillipEspinoza]

How do you like sims?

I like em just fine.

Oh btw David, you might wanna update that F2L alg sheet site, that was just a rough draft. Here's the more completed one:

http://www.kungfoomanchu.com/guides...w.kungfoomanchu.com/guides/...pinoza-col.pdf

Also, if you could give credit to Andy Klise who helped put together the pdf that'd be cool. He's the one who approached me about making it.

I've been thinking about how practical it would be to do a solve entirely with cross on left (without rotating for LL). I think it's doable, though it would be hard for me to get used to (generating OLL's/PLL's for performing them on the left would be tricky too).

As for ZB F2L algs on the side (this goes for MGLS and other extended techniques for F2L) I think it would be best for now just to flip it over.

 

[antoniovillena]

I've been thinking about how practical it would be to do a solve entirely with cross on left (without rotating for LL). I think it's doable, though it would be hard for me to get used to (generating OLL's/PLL's for performing them on the left would be tricky too).

Hello Phillip

I have worked on it. I have developed on cross left about 60-70% of OLL cases and the complete PLL. Contact me if you are interested _ at antoniovillena dot es

Regards

 

[CoolGuyIsCool]

I can do cross on left
But I can't do F2L or anything past the cross, so usually I will just do cross on bottom for better transition

 

[Cubebacca]

I have tried COL but find it more difficult to look ahead and find my first F2L pairs.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Finishing a Solve with Cross on Left

So, instead of creating a new thread, I thought I would just bump this one a little bit, and use this thread for its intended purpose.

Has anybody seriously considered finishing a solve with the cross on left? Has anybody thought about doing OLL/PLL (or however you finish your solve) on R? Does anybody already do this? Anybody fast?

Can anyone think of possible reasons that doing the last layer on the right side is inferior to simply rotating and doing it on top (other than habit)? Could there be any advantages to keeping the last layer on R for doing OLL and PLL?

I was talking to James about this, and he pointed out that there are the exact same number of pieces/stickers to recognize no matter where you finish the solve. In fact, most people starting LBL probably did the last layer on D, and switching to U was awkward at first (at least for me!), but eventually it became second nature. Could it be the same with doing LL on R? He also pointed out that ARF could be really strange compared to the standard AUF.

anyway, that's just what my brain is wondering.

 

[qqwref]

Has anybody seriously considered finishing a solve with the cross on left? Has anybody thought about doing OLL/PLL (or however you finish your solve) on R?

I gave it serious consideration for OH (back when my style made D turns very easy), but didn't end up learning enough algs to actually do it.

Can anyone think of possible reasons that doing the last layer on the right side is inferior to simply rotating and doing it on top (other than habit)? Could there be any advantages to keeping the last layer on R for doing OLL and PLL?

Well, as James said, I think ARF would be more awkward than AUF, because AUF is done with flicks whereas ARF is done with the wrist, so it's not easy to make fast adjustments in both directions. Plus, your hands do get in the way of R more than U. As far as the actual turns, both l and r are nice when doing OLLs on U, but d is kind of icky, although you can pretty much always get away with u if you try. So I'd say it's definitely doable, but would have some disadvantages compared to U layer solving.

 

[miniGOINGS]

Well, as James said, I think ARF would be more awkward than AUF, because AUF is done with flicks whereas ARF is done with the wrist, so it's not easy to make fast adjustments in both directions. Plus, your hands do get in the way of R more than U.

Yea, I guess it would be easiest to just take the right hand off the cube while recognizing, but that makes it hard to ARF. :S

As far as the actual turns, both l and r are nice when doing OLLs on U, but d is kind of icky, although you can pretty much always get away with u if you try. So I'd say it's definitely doable, but would have some disadvantages compared to U layer solving.

I'm actually not worried about the types of moves...let's just say I have a way of dealing with that.

The thing I'm most concerned about is that there is a very obvious major disadvantage I have missed noticing completely, which is why I would like to here from someone who uses LL on R in speedsolves.

 

[DRAGON_RYU]

HI.
I'm a COL solver on F2L and cross.
Are there any algorithms for COL OLL and PLL?

 

[Godmil]

If you go through the Alg database in the Wiki, just look for algs that mostly use LUR, then if you're holding COL that will become URD which is very nice for finger tricks. The best N perms are done like that.

 

[Georgeanderre]

I used to do COL when i first switched to cfop because i was ex Roux and most of that is RU gen but it felt a little wierd and im ahsamed to say i did cross on d, but thats all in the past now as im trying out L2LK, which does have fl on left thankfully