Competition Fairness

[theace]

eh? Come again? Why would you do that?

 

[Ethan Rosen]

He was banned for a signature containing a spoiler that pretty much asked mods to ban him.

 

[Andreaillest]

It should be fair that everyone had the same set of skills. Now everyone can be fazts!

BTW, thanks for teh lolz. 5 star thread, will read again.

 

[waffle=ijm]

its funny cuz personal preference.

 

[bluecloe45]

I thought we banned you.

 

[kdawg123]

This would also put a lot of cubing stores out of business, as people would only get store boughts with vaseline.

If you are going along the complete fairness line, everyone should have the exact same hours of practice, exact same method, exact same algorithms etc. It just doesn't work.

 

[Nestor]

Idiotic, yet funny OP

Imagine going into a comp and being handed (along with everyone else) a standard cube that is exactly the opposite of what you are used to practice. Yet another guy uses about the same tunning so he feels comfortable and ends up winning the comp. Eventually everyone will start using these standard cubes (competitive cubers at least) and the whole cubing industry kinda stalls as innovation is not as profitable as before.

 

[Kian]

People who don't understand that fairness is about opportunity and not condition really bother me.

 

[Erzz]

Don't they sell speedcubes at competitions?
They do in canada atleast

 

[musicninja17]

who is this kid anyway? I though he was trollin from day one

 

[Akuma]

Is this dude trolling?

 

[Tyson]

Sounds like a great idea. Interestingly, I think that the only cubes allowed for competitions should be the ones I sell. MONIES FOR ME!

 

[bluedasher]

I voted "Personal Cubes" because it is almost like getting a good cube, having to adjust the tension, use the stickers that provide you with the best recognition time, and lubricating your cube are all a part of the competition. Some people adjust the tension to there liking and other can't quite seem to get it right. Your times are effected by your cube and getting good at maintaining a speedcube is part of your times. It would almost defeat the purpose of a competition IMO if you all used the same cube and there was no skill or talent put into your cube.

EDIT: Also, there is no way you could keep everything E.G (Corner cutting, Tension, Amount of lubricant if any, and the stickers) the same on every person. Stickers would wear. Lube would wear off. Corner cutting would be affected as more people solve and break in the cube. Tension would change. There is no way to keep everything the same so why not let people bring there own cubes and actually put in effort and skill to make there cube good?

 

[endless_akatsuki]

See, now he's gonna make a new thread saying that he's gonna quit because we're all being mean to him.

 

[Rpotts]

Mod delete plz

 

[prostx23]

"In my opinion, the championship had several severe flaws that mixed up the results and caused me to believe that not the best one won (I think that the Italian guy was the fastest among us - judging from practising behind the curtain). First, as any speed cubist knows, the cube is manufactured in two different colorings: white - yellow, red - orange, and green - blue, and the other coloring is: white - blue, red - orange, and green - yellow. Speed cubing requires a lot fast decisions for which one naturally uses colors. Being used to one coloring and given a cube with the other coloring makes the times longer. I was fortunate that the coloring of the cubes did match the one I was used to. But it probably did not match for others. Second, the cubes were really hard to turn and were not prepared for serious speed cubing. The organisors should have prepared well greased cubes and not a bunch of tools for excersizing finger musles! You can say: well, everybody was given the same (bad) cube - so what's the big deal? The big deal is that some guys used systems which use smaller number of moves, yet one needs to spend little more time thinking, while others used systems with very little delays between stages, but with a slightly larger number of moves. All in all, the best guys from both camps would be approximately equally fast. A hard-to-turn cube gave advantage to the first group. A lot better solution would be to let the competitors use their own cubes. It would not be that hard to label the cubes ..." - Jessica Fridrich

Hi,

While I personally believe that using one's own cube and making that cube as competition ready as possible is part of the fun of these competitions in the first place (I'm always facinated to know who uses what cube, lube, tension etc) I completely disagree with this quote from Fridrich. First as I remember reading, backstage, they were all given a sample of the cubes they'd be using onstage to practice on. Beyond that like all sports there are other things involved in competition, certain intangibles, not the least of which is being able to perform at a high level when the pressure is on. Minh Thai not only had the best single time, but the best average as well. Complaints about styles vs cubes doesn't make much sense either as modern cubers use variations on different styles anyway (and I'd argue that the cubes people go out there with are all roughly the same anyway). I understand that she was not arguing in favor of herself, but I think under the circumstances the best cuber won, Minh Thai.

Mike

Edit: To make my thinking clearer, If everything else were the same in 1982 except you gave them all modern, lubed and prepped cubes, I believe that the times would be much faster, but you'd have probably similar results (with Minh Thai still the winner).

 

[masterofthebass]

Mod delete plz

why would I delete it if I was the reason for its creation? That makes no sense

 

[marthaurion]

I dunno about you guys, but I spend a lot of time tensioning my cube, testing it out, restickering, and modding all to my liking. If you're not willing to put forth the same effort, I don't think you have the right to complain
Plus...think about the logistics of the competition organizing...you'd have to go out and buy/borrow the exact cubes and make sure they're perfectly equal...I think competitions would cease to exist

 

[musicninja17]

In socialist society, everybody same, everybody happy.
SAME false logic. it doesn't work that way.

 

[oprah62]

Seriously?
It clearly would be unfair for a Rubiksgod to use the same cubes of us weak mortals.