COLL help needed

[waffle=ijm]

Okay. So I know all my COLL algorithms but i'm having trouble on one case and its really annoying me. code c11 on http://www.speedcubing.com/final_layer_corners.html. Does any one have any other algorithms for this case?

The Table for it looks like this and its a U COLL

F R
L F

 

[waffle=ijm]

EDIT: I currently use R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R
BUT i keep not getting it right since i get mixed up with another algorithm

 

[pjk]

I'd suggest looking at Jason's site here: http://jmbaum.110mb.com/coll.htm

 

[JBCM627]

or here: http://www.stanford.edu/~leyanlo/coll.htm

 

[waffle=ijm]

Thanks
I actually learned my COLL at Jason's site
So i'm gonna use leyan lo's site this time

 

[fanwuq]

I never understand the pictures for COLL with the FRLB. Is there a guide where they show arrows like in the PLLs? Or is there one with applets so I can get a full view? I guess Petrus' site, but I'm not sure if his algs are out dated.

Edit: The first post's link has the arrows! Are the algs any good?

Edit2:

EDIT: I currently use R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R
BUT i keep not getting it right since i get mixed up with another algorithm

I use that for regular OLL.

 

[waffle=ijm]

I never understand the pictures for COLL with the FRLB. Is there a guide where they show arrows like in the PLLs? Or is there one with applets so I can get a full view? I guess Petrus' site, but I'm not sure if his algs are out dated.

Edit: The first post's link has the arrows! Are the algs any good?

Edit2:

EDIT: I currently use R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R
BUT i keep not getting it right since i get mixed up with another algorithm

I use that for regular OLL.

I learned almost all my COLL algs there on the first site. And that alg that you use for a regular OLL gets mixed up with another COLL that looks really really similar.

 

[Dirk BerGuRK]

Another good one is http://www.cubezone.be/coll.html.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Thanks People!
ACTUALLY all those sites have the same Algorithm =P including Erik Akkersdijk's CLL. So I'm gonna use the reflection of one my cases. Unless you guys have another algorithm besides R2 D' R U2 R' D R U2 R

 

[LarsN]

I use U2 L2 D' L U2 L' D L U2 L

the first U2 L2 D' can be turned as a column with left thumb on UFR sticker and left index on UBR sticker. It's actually the same as yours but it feels better for me.

 

[JBCM627]

It looks like you will have to do some variant of that alg, I guess, be it Lars's or yours. You can also try: ( Lw2 U' R D2 R' U R D2 R ) which is also just a variant.

The only problem with the one I said is that you end up with white on top. I guess instead of the last R, you can do Lw and end up in a better position.

 

[waffle=ijm]

Yeah I'm trying to get used to Lars's alg because having white on top will be a big problem for me (the fewer grip exchanges the better)

 

[Kenneth]

All pages got the same alg becuse it is the only good one. But it is a simple 3-cycle so it is not so hard to find other algs using commutators, I found this one:

R' U2 B D2 B' U2 B D2 B' R

It is much easier to do than it looks, do cube rotations before the B-part and is fast and easy.

 

[genwin]

since its COLL help needed, i might as well post... isn't it that you need a specific way of inserting the last f2l pair for COLL so that the edges are oriented?? but on dan harris site and cubewhiz, there seems to be no mention of that step... or is it related to ZB method??

 

[waffle=ijm]

All pages got the same alg becuse it is the only good one. But it is a simple 3-cycle so it is not so hard to find other algs using commutators, I found this one:

R' U2 B D2 B' U2 B D2 B' R

It is much easier to do than it looks, do cube rotations before the B-part and is fast and easy.

Yeah, I'm not into commutators as much. And yeah that alg isn't that hard to use.

since its COLL help needed, i might as well post... isn't it that you need a specific way of inserting the last f2l pair for COLL so that the edges are oriented?? but on dan harris site and cubewhiz, there seems to be no mention of that step... or is it related to ZB method??

Well its really going into ZB after the ZB final F2L pair. But you can also use COLL when you do Edge orient and permute and then corner orient and permute to do the LL. Or you can use this in corners first method. I'm using Roux so I need COLL for step 3

 

[36duong]

since its COLL help needed, i might as well post... isn't it that you need a specific way of inserting the last f2l pair for COLL so that the edges are oriented?? but on dan harris site and cubewhiz, there seems to be no mention of that step... or is it related to ZB method??

There seems to be no mention, because most people doing VH just use separate algorithms to the normal F2l Algorithms so the edges are oriented when the F2L pair is inserted. I am looking into the VH method, since I don't want to learn more OLLs then learn COLL, and I found Macky's Page here.

 

[mrbiggs]

since its COLL help needed, i might as well post... isn't it that you need a specific way of inserting the last f2l pair for COLL so that the edges are oriented?? but on dan harris site and cubewhiz, there seems to be no mention of that step... or is it related to ZB method??

If you're doing 2-look OLL (I do) it might be a good idea to learn a few of those. They're generally at least semi-intuitive and can help you get easy eOLL cases and more skips. I learned a couple from Macky's page as linked above.

 

[Kenneth]

Many times you can use (F)RUR'U'F' or likewise (the common OLL or it's mirror/inverses) but start from the second turn. Set up that OLL, do the first turn to solve it and you will see how it looks.