Can I ask for algorithms resulting OLL skips? (ZZ speedcubing method)

[bluephoenix1993]

It's been a week since I tried to adapt ZZ speedcubing method and I was really pleased because it is a very nice method...

But one question came through my mind.. As I observed that because all of the edges are correctly oriented, after the first 2 layers, the last layer would have correctly oriented edges.. And here's what I thought: "Could there be algorithms that could grant OLL skips when all of the edges are already oriented correctly?"

So, I was thinking of this: could there be algorithms that act like phasing (inserting the 4th F2L pair while correctly orienting UF and UB edges) or Partial LL edge control (inserting the 4th F2L pair while orienting all the LL edges)?? I thought of these algorithms as the alter-egos of Partial LL edge control, since we could be talking about only orienting the LL corners since ZZ/Eoline already orients LL edges...

So, can I ask for these algorithms? Please... Short ones could be better...

P.S. What software do you use to find such algorithms? Algorithms that do not only involve the LL but also the F2L specifically the 4th slot. Such as the algorithms of The Partial LL edge control...

 

[s7even]

F2LL/Winter Variation maybe?

http://pagesperso-orange.fr/absolutemind/f2ll-angl.htm

Or you could generate them using Ron's Cube Solver (http://www.speedcubing.com/CubeSolver/CubeSolver.html), ACube, etc.

 

[bluephoenix1993]

thank you s7even... I'll try this when I get home... That was quick... Thank you very much....

 

[Rubixcubematt]

There is already a method for fridrich f2l which always ends up with an OLL skip. Its called MGLS. The first step is orienting all the edges and inserting the edge, then inserting the corner while orienting the corners. I personally think that if you are going to use the ZZ speedcubing method, It would be better to use COLL, then a really fast EPLL. But you can go here to learn the algorithms http://cube.garron.us/MGLS/ .

 

[bluephoenix1993]

As of now, I'm still memorizing the algos for the COLL cases.. But, as a student.. It's definitely hard to find time... I guess, I'll just go for the F2LL... About the MGLS, I already met that method before, and I'm just good when I'm looking at video tutorials.. So, I'll try to pass this one, but sooner, I'm gonna try learning it, this is quite a famous method.. A lot of people have already told me about this...

Thank you...

 

[blade740]

The CLS step of MGLS is almost exactly what you're looking for (except it requires the last slot edge already be inserted.

 

[Lucas Garron]

There is already a method for fridrich f2l which always ends up with an OLL skip. Its called MGLS.

MGLS IS NOT AN OLL SKIP METHOD. OLL bypass maybe, or CLS an alternative. :rolleyes:

WV's already been answered. And continuing on blade740's point, in ZZ you very often get an ELS skip, else it's normally 3 moves (worst 4).

 

[Dirk BerGuRK]

Hey there. This link might help.

http://www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1787&highlight=OCLL+Petrus