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Develop both methods and be fast at both! It's not easy, but if you pull it off, it will be amazing.
Beginner's Guide to Choosing a Speedsolving Method
Develop both methods and be fast at both! It's not easy, but if you pull it off, it will be amazing.
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Don't use both for 2H. Only use different methods if it's for different events e.g. some Roux users use CFOP for bigcubes because they find slice moves hard to do on bigcubes. Don't be method neutral for any event.
Help improve my awful time?
I started taking a serious interest into cubing about 1 month ago when a friend gave me a cube for my birthday, I learned beginners method and started from there after awhile I was not impressed with my rubiks brand cube so I got a Dayan ZanChi ( ahhh much better) I am still using beginners method and my Average is an awful 1 minute 22 Seconds... If you guys knew any good methods I could learn that aren't insanely hard please let me know thanks
I started taking a serious interest into cubing about 1 month ago when a friend gave me a cube for my birthday, I learned beginners method and started from there after awhile I was not impressed with my rubiks brand cube so I got a Dayan ZanChi ( ahhh much better) I am still using beginners method and my Average is an awful 1 minute 22 Seconds... If you guys knew any good methods I could learn that aren't insanely hard please let me know thanks
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I started taking a serious interest into cubing about 1 month ago when a friend gave me a cube for my birthday, I learned beginners method and started from there after awhile I was not impressed with my rubiks brand cube so I got a Dayan ZanChi ( ahhh much better) I am still using beginners method and my Average is an awful 1 minute 22 Seconds... If you guys knew any good methods I could learn that aren't insanely hard please let me know thanks
Okay, so I will explain the three most used methods and probably the fastest ones too, at this moment in time.
These are the Roux, CFOP, and ZZ Methods.
I recommend you try them all out and see which one you like best.
I believe they are all equally fast, however Roux and ZZ have a lower move count than CFOP.
anyway, Roux is a nice method if you like "thinking outside of the box" (or cube hahahaha... sorry, that was terrible). It is also nice if you like doing M and U moves. I think they look cool and are fun to do, personally.
Pros: It's a very efficient method - It enables you more freedom than other methods - It only requires that you learn 42 algorithms - it's a good one handed method because of the low move count and table abuse (for the M moves)
Cons: It may require more thinking than other methods, while solving. (That really should not be a bad thing)
http://wafflelikescubes.webs.com/rouxmethod.htm
The ZZ method is unique, in that you basically work with the edges in the beginning so that they can all be solved with R, U, L and D moves.
Pros: It's also a pretty efficient method - It only requires 28 algorithms - You can learn more algorithms to cases that will come up more often, to solve the cube faster - it also works great for one handed solving
Cons: Orienting edges in the beginning can be really confusing - Not that many people use it so it's not much of an explored method
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9f-uHyHeQs
And finally CFOP. It's for square people.
Pros: Lots of fast people use it - there is lots of information about it because it's a widely used method - the transition from a beginner method is pretty easy
Cons: It is not efficient - It requires one to learn 78 algorithms - it can be boring to solve with because you basically use algorithms to solve the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-xbcAMfWwM
Pick and choose wisely. I recommend Roux or ZZ. But choose whichever you think fits you best. Hope this helped!
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Yo, forgive me if this question is a little noobish, but I've thought about this for a while now and would appreciate some opinions.
I hear a lot about people learning one method and then switching to another because they get bored or frustrated, but what about learning a method with the intention of switching?
In my case, I've been interested in ZZ for a while, but I've heard that in order to learn ZZ it is beneficial to already be familiar with Fridrich-style F2L. On the other hand, I can see how using CFOP as a mere stepping stone onto another method would be a bit nonsensical.
So, for my case, is learning CFOP as a way to "prepare" for ZZ a good investment, or a waste of energy? Thanks for the input.
I hear a lot about people learning one method and then switching to another because they get bored or frustrated, but what about learning a method with the intention of switching?
In my case, I've been interested in ZZ for a while, but I've heard that in order to learn ZZ it is beneficial to already be familiar with Fridrich-style F2L. On the other hand, I can see how using CFOP as a mere stepping stone onto another method would be a bit nonsensical.
So, for my case, is learning CFOP as a way to "prepare" for ZZ a good investment, or a waste of energy? Thanks for the input.
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i'm guessing moving straight into zz would be more time efficient. the important thing is to find many zz example solves and learn their techniques for block building the f2l rather than use the less free cfop insertions.
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I would agree that learning CFOP is a good way to "prepare" for ZZ, as long as you don't get so familiar with CFOP that you struggle to blockbuild with ZZ efficiently. Learning F2L and 4lLL is a good stepping stone to all of the other main methods and is easy to do after learning the beginners method, and I believe it is worth learning whether you are going to continue using CFOP or are switching to a different method.
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while knowing cfop-F2L and last layer makes it easier to be able to do full solves with ZZ at all, i would recommend to start out with ZZ from the very beginning. The Reasons are the following:
1. CFOP gives you bad habits. No offense to CFOP, but solving ZZ F2L like CFOP makes you inefficient. start good and you do not have to get good.
2. CFOP doesnt help you much with the hardest thing to learn about ZZ: The Edge Orientation.
3. To be able to solve the cube at all with CFOP, you have to learn more algorithms than with ZZ. so you will waste time by learning algs you dont need.
4. Being able to solve with CFOP, the very earliest steps with ZZ are extremely frustrating, as EO and Blockbuilding are hard to grasp. it might make you doubt in your plans and stop you from even switching away from CFOP.
Learning CFOP "for" ZZ is not a good Investment.
If you struggle to find good learning material about ZZ, you can always ask away here: www.speedsolving.com/forum/showthread.php?20834-ZZ-ZB-Home-Thread
you should also check out asmallkitten (the lord of ZZ himself) on youtube for guides and tips: http://www.youtube.com/user/asmallkitten
And i am about to make a "ZZ-Example-Solve-Game"-Thread, in which you should be able to fin lots of example solves and youre also able to post your attempts and get help from others.
good luck!
I get what you're saying. ZZF2L has been the hardest thing to get so far, so I should be giving it even more attention. Until it is conquered.
Thanks for the input, and the links.
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Serious help needed with method choosing
Hi,
I am at a cross roads in cubing.
I want to get around 10 seconds in any way,
My question is will fridrich or roux get me down to around 10 seconds faster?
I know fridrich can be like sub 7, but that takes ages with so many algs to learn!.
I want to know like how easy it is to learn roux down to around ten seconds compared to fridrich? Which is faster/easier?
Also if you learnt either method, let me know how long you took took get below 20 seconds with you method.
Thanks Fellow cubers.
Hi,
I am at a cross roads in cubing.
I want to get around 10 seconds in any way,
My question is will fridrich or roux get me down to around 10 seconds faster?
I know fridrich can be like sub 7, but that takes ages with so many algs to learn!.
I want to know like how easy it is to learn roux down to around ten seconds compared to fridrich? Which is faster/easier?
Also if you learnt either method, let me know how long you took took get below 20 seconds with you method.
Thanks Fellow cubers.
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The only thing that will get you to 10 seconds is motivation, and you won't be motivated unless you enjoy solving the cube. Pick the method that you like the most, not the method that's fastest/easiest.
But if you can't decide then pick roux.
But if you can't decide then pick roux.
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They are both around the same speed. None of Roux, CFOP or ZZ are faster than the other two (for two handed). Learn whichever method you prefer.
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the main three are ROUX, fridrich and zz. Most people start with fridrich. Many of them switch to ROUX or zz. None from ROUX or zz ever switch to fridrich.
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LOL stahp, you have to warn me before you do stuff like that. my sides hurt now. xD
Tao Yu
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You should never be afraid to learn algorithms as you'll get better and better at learning them as time goes on.
You will need lots of algorithms to get fast at roux as well as CFOP. You should probably know at least two different algorithms for each CMLL case, as this will allow you to influence the next step. (See kirjava's advanced roux tutorial). Basically, you should be trying to learn as many OLLCP algs as possible.
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Auch, now my eyes hurt.
DeeDubb
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I'm going to recommend that you find a different hobby. If you are desperate to get around 10 seconds without wanting to learn algorithms, then you will not succeed. It takes extreme effort and quite a few algorithms to get to 10 seconds using ANY method, and it sounds like you are looking for a shortcut, which simply doesn't exist. If there was some secret to getting to 10 seconds, everyone would do it. As it stands, there's only 149 people in the world with official sub-10 averages. That's about 0.5% of the 28,000+ people who have official averages, and the countless more people who solve at home. Getting 10-seconds is quite a feat, so you better be willing to put in years of work and memorize as many algorithms as it takes.
Tao Yu
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That's too harsh. He's just starting out, and he doesn't what direction to take. He just needs to change his attitude on learning algorithms, something that all new cubers find daunting.
My advice: Just don't be afraid of algorithms. Learn as many as possible. It'll only get easier. Practice. And have fun.
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