# Beginner, don't know what to practice next

#### Eduard Khil

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Only slightly different. With beginner's, I use 2 algs that are repeated over and over til you get the desired result. With 2-look, it seems you choose 2 specific algs from 7 or so.
Oh. So learn a simple perm for corners (Probably T perm or J perm) and a few EPLLS (the U perms, Z and H perm)
Print algs off here: www.kungfoomanchu.com
or specifically, here: http://www.kungfoomanchu.com/guides/andy-klise-3x3x3-speedcubing-guide-v4.pdf
The bolded PLL algs are suggested but sometimes they are not finger-tricky. Use the PLLs that are (Bolded with a *) which "indicates a faster alg"

#### nvpendsey

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I am cubing for almost two years now.(Actually that should be one year as i had a almost year long break for cubing). I learnt how to solve the cube from http://www.wikihow.com/Solve-a-Rubik%27s-Cube-%28Easy-Move-Notation%29 (CFCE) and using this method (and F2L + a shorter algorithm instead of that last huge 18 move one + a few more algs) my average is around 45 seconds.As far I can tell the F2L takes around 30 sec and the remaining is 15 sec.Also if the F2L is finished in around 20 sec the solve is a sub 40 solve.What should I do?

#### hkpnkp

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Thanks for the info guys.

For moving on from beginner PLL, do you recommend jumping right into learning the 21 algorithms? Or should people ease into them with 2-look PLL first?

Also, is there a place where you could buy a physical cube scrambler? Like you could pop in a cube, press a few buttons and it scrambles it for you? I'm finding it tedious to re-scramble after each solve.
Instead of just learning an algorithm try to master an algorithm before moving to the next one. By mastering i mean learn the recognition from all angles, compare it with similar cases and find their differences and find the fastest way to finger trick the algorithm.

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#### SrujayP

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if you average 1.5 then do a lot of practising to get your time lower i use the same method as u and i average around 41-42

#### everclear

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Instead of just learning an algorithm try to master an algorithm before moving to the next one. By mastering i mean learn the recognition from all angles, compare it with similar cases and find their differences and find the fastest way to finger trick the algorithm.
if you average 1.5 then do a lot of practising to get your time lower i use the same method as u and i average around 41-42
Oh I agree. It's just that I want to dedicate that time to PLL algs rather than the beginner's.

My goal with this thread was to find what to study next. And I stumbled on it. Pretty much it was 2-look OLL (which I learned yesterday) and full PLL (will probably start with 2-look first).

After I learn these and get better, then I'll focus more on speed. I think my solves would be more enjoyable as I reach sub1 and sub30 this way, rather than plugging away with the beginner's method trying to get sub1 now.

Seems not an orthodox approach lol. Well, I'll probably be back with questions on PLL algs.

#### SrujayP

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I use cfop with 2 look oll and full pll ?

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#### everclear

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well it's been a month, and i've been cubing for about an hour a day since. wish i did more! my avg is down to about 55 secs. could be faster with focus, but im progressing fine.

anyway, i got a question now. if any of you are color neutral from the start, could you tell me how you approached learning the bottom cross? did you guys master one color at a time, or, continued rotating them even as you were learning the bottom cross? moves being reversed is confusing enough, but i wonder if it's harder for people who are doing all color orders.

#### youSurname

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Do you find yourself pausing trying to remember what to do next? A good solve is a fluent solve.

#### youSurname

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well it's been a month, and i've been cubing for about an hour a day since. wish i did more! my avg is down to about 55 secs. could be faster with focus, but im progressing fine.

anyway, i got a question now. if any of you are color neutral from the start, could you tell me how you approached learning the bottom cross? did you guys master one color at a time, or, continued rotating them even as you were learning the bottom cross? moves being reversed is confusing enough, but i wonder if it's harder for people who are doing all color orders.
Colour neutrality is a good thing to have, but don't make it your main focus for improvement. I'm ~17s and still do white cross.

#### GIEL

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I would just say that practice CFOP method also called he Fridrich method.. so start practicing the cross until you master it then don't force yourself to solve the F2l because me myself has been frustrated and curious for one day and also don't force yourself to memorize all the 57 algorithms on the OLL cause it will confuse you, then you will forget the algorithms but I would just say that you can just pick the easiest ones on the OLL. Then good luck to the PLL...Hope this helps

#### everclear

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how do u guys usually turn the F and B faces?

what ive been trying to do is put my thumbs on the bottom for both cases, and pretend that im turning U and D, using my index and ring fingers.

but it feels a little weird having to switch back and forth to thumbs in front again. so idk if im doing this right.

#### obelisk477

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how do u guys usually turn the F and B faces?

what ive been trying to do is put my thumbs on the bottom for both cases, and pretend that im turning U and D, using my index and ring fingers.

but it feels a little weird having to switch back and forth to thumbs in front again. so idk if im doing this right.
Thumb on bottom is fine for F', and so is left index pull in some cases. F is almost always done with right index. And for now, don't use any algorithms with B. The only algorithm I use (knowing COLL, OLL, and PLL) that has a B is this F2L edge flipping alg. You do the B' with right ring and B with left index.

#### everclear

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Thumb on bottom is fine for F', and so is left index pull in some cases. F is almost always done with right index. And for now, don't use any algorithms with B. The only algorithm I use (knowing COLL, OLL, and PLL) that has a B is this F2L edge flipping alg. You do the B' with right ring and B with left index.
im basically asking for scrambling help lol. you fast guys scramble so fluidly, but mine are slow and choppy.

today, i experimented with slightly rotating the cube instead of changing hand positions. so when F or B comes up, i rotate up about 60 degrees, and then "reach" the rest of the way to turn them like U and D. i keep the cube in this position until U or D come up, then rotate it back down to turn those. is this how people do it?

#### xchippy

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Finger tricks come naturally. Don't worry about them. I suggest learning 2 look pll and oll.

#### everclear

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I suggest learning 2 look pll and oll.
i actually already do this, been doing it for the last month. am going to pick up full pll soon.

just wish my scrambling were faster so i could cube more!